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[hckynutjohn]

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@tantallum wrote:

Here is just one exapmle, though I'm guessing this will get poofed.  

A young man was shot by a police officer in Chicago 18 months ago.  Numerous police were on scene, and they were requesting a unit with a taser to come to the scene, as the kid was not listening to orders to surrender.  they had the streets blocked off, the kid was wandering around.  in this video, a police car pulls up, a cop gets out and shoots the boy 16 times as he was walking away.  The city kept this vidoe under wraps for 17 months.  All of the police officers put in their official reports that the boy 'lunged' at this cop (meaning, it was justifiable).  that was the official story until the video came out.  It is right below, you can see for yourself, he did not lunge. He was walking away.  The cop has now been charged with murder.  The city tried to cover it up by paying the family 5 million dollars as long as they agreed to keep the video under wraps.  If an investigative journalist had not sued to get the video released, that would have been the 'official' story, this cop would never had been charged, and would possibly go on to kill another person while on duty.  Only after the video was released was the police superintendant fired.  This is why there are protests daily in Chicago and calls for the mayor to resign.  

 http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/24/us/chicago-laquan-mcdonald-shooting-video/ 

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That story got a lot of national media coverage for several reasons. One theory had to do with a close Mayoral election not too far away. Tough video to watch, but I still believe all to be innocent until proven guilty and convicted of the crime.

hckynut(john)

[CrazyDaisy]

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@RainCityWoman wrote:

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@CrazyDaisy wrote:

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@deeva wrote:

I wish more good cops would stand up against the blue wall of silence when they see their fellow officers abuse citizens and falsify reports.

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Why are Police Officers singled out, there need to be this peer review in all professions.  Teachers, Doctors, Social Workers etc., there are numerous reports in these professions yet no one is on the streets protesting about these abuses. 

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Oh I think it's implicit that we expect peer review in all professions dealing with the publilc. There is a tendency in some to not necessarily cover for, but to turn the other way at colleagues who are violators of trust or the law. It is a problem in many places.

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I have to disagree that they "just turn the other way" when they see these abuses.  If it is not reported it is covering it up, in many cases resulting in devastating consequences.  Yet you did not answer the question as to why Police Officers are being singled out as a profession while other professions get a pass.

[chickenbutt]

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RainyDayGirl wrote:

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Deeva wrote:

I wish more good cops would stand up against the blue wall of silence when they see their fellow officers abuse citizens and falsify reports.

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YES!!!!!!!!!!!

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I so agree with you both.  This is a HUGE problem and it has been for probably as long as any of us have been alive.

I'm kind of surprised that some are not familiar with this concept.  Maybe some of us are at an advantage in that regard, but it's extremely easy to find a zillion examples of this.

It's a fraternity of sorts.  If you don't play the game the way they want you to play it, you will be at peril - to say the least.

BTW, I saw in the OP that it is believed that everybody thinks all LE officers are bad.  Nobody has EVER said that so that notion needs to be reeled in.  There is plenty of good and plenty of bad everywhere, but to think in such absolutes is unrealistic.

[Perkup]

Seems to me that too many are forgetting that policemen and women are all human.  There isn't one among us who can't be pushed too far, or who can be threatened to the point of panic or a temporary loss of reason - we all have an inbred need to defend and protect ourselves. For the few who may go too far, there are thousands who manage to handle difficult situations with reasonable care.  Why do we want to throw out the baby with the bath water?  The world is full of people who live for an opportunity to challenge authority. Sometimes it just goes too far.

[60sgirl]

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@chickenbutt wrote:

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@RainCityWoman wrote:

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@deeva wrote:

I wish more good cops would stand up against the blue wall of silence when they see their fellow officers abuse citizens and falsify reports.

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YES!!!!!!!!!!!

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I so agree with you both.  This is a HUGE problem and it has been for probably as long as any of us have been alive.

I'm kind of surprised that some are not familiar with this concept.  Maybe some of us are at an advantage in that regard, but it's extremely easy to find a zillion examples of this.

It's a fraternity of sorts.  If you don't play the game the way they want you to play it, you will be at peril - to say the least.

BTW, I saw in the OP that it is believed that everybody thinks all LE officers are bad.  Nobody has EVER said that so that notion needs to be reeled in.  There is plenty of good and plenty of bad everywhere, but to think in such absolutes is unrealistic.

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Really? Just stop that., Quote where in the OP I said EVERBODY. I said
people think" but of course someone who is looking for a reason to disagree would say that my statement means "everybody" because I did not use ther term some people think.  As for a zillion examples, really? That many examples would signify more bad than good cops covering up because I doubt that a ZILLION criminal acts are committed in the first place. 

Talk about skewering the facts!  And BTW, I posted a link to this officer's murder. Where is the remorse for an innocent LE officer being targeted and killed? 

[hckynutjohn]

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@RainCityWoman wrote:

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You can't make a statement against a wrong unless you're part of the profession???? Seriously? I guess that goes for all the other professions as well: teaching, doctoring, lawyering, etc.  A doctor does something unprofessional and only another doctor can report it??? 

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Of course everyone can have an opinion about whatever and whomever they choose.  I personally prefer seeing statistics before I make any negative statements about those protecting our safety.

I don't recall using the words "report it".  Guess I didn't realize "naturalfan" was reporting. 

hckynut(john)

[hckynutjohn]

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@tantallum wrote:

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If someone who has sworn to serve and protect the community, and my tax dollars go to pay their salary, commits a crime ONCE while on duty and his colleagues cover it up, then that is too often. 

The overwhelming majority of police officers are amazing and I am thankful for their service.  But that does not mean we should ignore the few who are a disgrace to the profession and not demand accountability. 

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I don't recall saying in any of my posts "to ignore" bad or illegal behavior by any law enforcement officer, be it committing a crime or being an accessory to the crime.

Also believe all to be innocent until proven guilty of the alleged crimes.

hckynut(john)

[naturalfan]

Perhaps John should look up the case of John Burge in Chicago who was accused and FINALLY went to jail after torturing suspects for nearly 20 years.  He was convicted of torturing over 200 suspects, some of whom were later released as he had TORTURED confessions out of them.

The officer who killed the young man by pumping 16 shots into him was also involved in other shootings.  I would like to hear what John has to say after the Federal investigation of the Chicago Police Department is completed and released.

Is every officer bad?  No.  By the way, I believe that the information about the shooting mentioned in my second paragraph was given to a reporter by a police officer who was disgusted by all the abuse he witnessed.  The reporter started asking for information and that is how the info on this case became known.

[Irshgrl31201]

So sad to hear.

There is no way I would want to be a police officer now days. I would definitely demand a camera at all times. 

[60sgirl]

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@naturalfan wrote:

Perhaps John should look up the case of John Burge in Chicago who was accused and FINALLY went to jail after torturing suspects for nearly 20 years.  He was convicted of torturing over 200 suspects, some of whom were later released as he had TORTURED confessions out of them.

The officer who killed the young man by pumping 16 shots into him was also involved in other shootings.  I would like to hear what John has to say after the Federal investigation of the Chicago Police Department is completed and released.

Is every officer bad?  No.  By the way, I believe that the information about the shooting mentioned in my second paragraph was given to a reporter by a police officer who was disgusted by all the abuse he witnessed.  The reporter started asking for information and that is how the info on this case became known.

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in a court of law, that's  called hearsay and inadmissible. If it can't be verified, it doesn't exist, he said, she said kind of thing.  Similar to someone at work, any job, seeing an employee come in late every day and not getting fired and the witness says to another employee "I'm sick of seeing all this abuse and nothing being done about it" while in reality it is one person being late all the time and that fact being stretched to say "all this abuse". People use terms like always, never, all the time in a casual sense that in no way mean always, never, and all the time.