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Re: PRINCE ANDREW NOT COOPERATING

@Tinkrbl44  Who knows.  To me the Queen was never really very maternal, just my opinion, very conscious of doing her duty which took up a lot of her time.

 

Andrew was a cheeky, fun, baby just going by  photos, press releases, etc. so maybe was more ‘in her face’ kind of.  He was always known as the favourite.

 

Judging him on his past ‘business deals, meetings,’ etc’ and, of course, the interview to me he seems a bit ‘dim’ and has shown very little common sense, in the past,  with whom he ‘friends’.  I think money, luxury, etc., are the number one priority for him and Fergie.

 

As for him cooperating on this case if he does I think the  the RF will make sure he has somebody more capable with him if this happens at all.

 

 

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@bathina wrote:

As much as I despise what Andrew is accused of doing, I think it is unreasonable to expect his elderly mother to not be seen with him.


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I agree, she is the Queen, she is also, his mother. 
Of course,none of us know, what version of events,he told her; perhaps she believes him. Perhaps, she believes, you can hate your child's actions, but, still love the child. 


At any rate, she's a mother, clearly, winding down, her journey, on this earth. My guess is, Queen or not, death is a

great equalizer, and she'd like, to leave this life, at peace, not estranged, from her son. 

I see no reason for her, not to be photographed with him.

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@occasionalrain 

 

The constitution contains the Fifth Amendment, which provides witnesses a way to avoid incriminating themselves; they are still subject to criminal investigation, and conviction.  They don’t just walk away.

 

I do not claim to possess particular knowledge of the criminal mind.  But, I am very familiar with the Constitution.  The fifth amendment and Plea Bargaining are not inexorably tied.  If tips’ are provided by plea deal they are investigated with all due process.  New criminals are not just created on whim. The ‘tips’ are very carefully evaluated, as they arise from hearsay.

 

I do not believe in the ‘always’.  I do believe the victims deserve justice.

 

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Re: PRINCE ANDREW NOT COOPERATING

Lots of important and well know individuals are implicated in and have been known to be friends and travel with this guy, so is there a list of ALL his known friends and party goers and who is and isn't cooperating?

 

I'd like to know.  I haven't followed the case closely, but where's the list of suspects?  Who is talking? 

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@cherry

Your sentiment is nice, but unfortunately the church has become a place for those with power and influence to victimize the weak and vulnerable. Again,stating the facts.  

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Re: PRINCE ANDREW NOT COOPERATING

If he didn't do anything wrong, why doesn't he want to get the bad guys who did? Why isn't he shocked and horrified by what his pal was doing?

 

The only person who can really forgive him is the person he hurt. And he hasn't admitted any sins to her in that regard. Preemptive forgiveness to a person who has done wrong, but to someone else, is just excusing the behavior because you think it isn't all that awful for anyone to do.

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OK.  Go out and look of the lists of people who flew on the plane, went to the island, etc. etc.  So are you all going to say every one of them should be shunned by their families?

 

The guy is dead, and to be realistic about it, how can you ever separate the wheat from the chaff at this point?  How can you say who's guilty and who isn't?

 

So if you like someone, or believe them do you exclude them?  Not taking up for Andrew or anyone else but it seems pretty pointless at this point.

 

More thought and talk on preventing the next one that speculating on this one.  What can we do to support groups who stop trafficing?  Where can we make a difference to the future?

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@Katcat1  Yes, you are exactly right.

 

We are all responsible for ourselves.  If we mess up, that's on us.

 

Too many people these days blame other's when a person messes up.

 

It's just easier and the press and media goes along with it.

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Andrew and Fergie have never impressed me. They represented the RF very poorly. They both lack morals and intellect. I'm certainly not impressed by his going to church with the queen. His actions paint an ugly picture of a liar and hypocrite. Being rich and spoiled doesn't make him innocent of anything. 

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@CrazyDaisy wrote:

@bathina wrote:

@CrazyDaisy wrote:

 

No matter what he does or doesn't do there will be critics.  Frankly he is outside the US jurisdiction. Epstein is dead and there is not much else they can investigate and or prosecute.  Now everything is going to be hear say and his fault. 


Ghislaine Maxwell is still alive.


And she is cooperating....


When did she start cooperating? From what I have read she is in hiding and feels confident she will never be prosecuted because she has so much dirt on so many powerful men. Has this changed? I couldn’t find anything to substantiate a change.