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06-23-2017 09:33 AM
@Bri36 wrote:The State Dept. cannot demand the Warmbiers to have an autopsy. They shouldn't either...
@Bri36- it would be hard to demand....if he died in NK, they would have grounds. But, he died in Ohio and was in the care of a physician before he died. Each State has different rules re autopsy. To force an autopsy of their son, would have done more harm than good. The forensic people have intellectual curiousity and would like answers but the parents feel they don't need answers ....I'm glad their wishes were respected. As one poster indicated, Kim Jung-un will not be indicted so what's the purpose. If he was beaten or suffered medical neglect, what's the difference....their son is dead.
06-23-2017 10:12 AM - edited 06-23-2017 10:15 AM
@blackhole99 wrote:
@Marp wrote:
Otto Warmbier’s family hid his Jewishness to aid negotiations with North Korea
- JTA
- 4 hrs ago
The family of Otto Warmbier, the University of Virginia student imprisoned by North Korea who died after his release last week, hid his Jewishness from the public as negotiations for his release took place, a family spokesman said.
Warmbier, 22, a Cincinnati native, was traveling on a student tour of North Korea last year when he was arrested and sentenced to 15 years of hard labor for stealing a propaganda poster. After international outrage and over a year of imprisonment, North Korea released the comatose student last week, saying his health had deteriorated after a bout of botulism. Warmbier’s doctors said he suffered extensive brain damage. He died June 19 in Cincinnati.
The family chose not to disclose his Judaism as negotiations went forward so as not to embarrass North Korea, Mickey Bergman, who worked on negotiations for the student’s release, told the Times of Israel. North Korea had announced that Warmbier had stolen the poster on orders from the Friendship United Methodist Church in Wyoming, Ohio.
“If that’s what their story is, there’s no point fighting it if your objective is to get him out,” Bergman told The Times of Israel. “When you realize he’s Jewish, you realize how ridiculous that claim is.”
JTA reported last week, before his death, that Warmbier became active at the University of Virginia campus Hillel after a 2014 Birthright trip to Israel. His mother is Jewish, but the family is not observant, according to Bergman.
It is my understanding if the Mother is Jewish the kids are Jewish period. Why would the NK hate him more if he's a Jew. That poster business was explained in an article I read today where he was getting a vehicle that was worth 10 grand if he was able to bring the poster back. If it's true! Kids do dumb things, such a tragedy.
That car business is the warped North Korean story, not the truth. Included in that story is that the poster was removed for a church in Wyoming. The North Koreans concocted that idea because they mistook his high school that had the name Wyoming for the state! The negotiator said there was no point in embarrassing the North Koreans with the truth that the guy was Jewish and would therefore not be taking the poster for a 'friendship church' in Wyoming. The guy was an idiot for taking the poster, the guy was an idiot for going to North Korea, but many people say he was a good guy, and we know the North Korean government is an evil one.
06-23-2017 10:20 AM
I would of not allowed an autopsy if I could help it. What is the point. You know it was from mistreatment/abuse.Sometimes what we imagine is less traumatic than reality and as a parent I would want something I can live with, otherwise I would just go crazy. If my son just fell ill walking around over there, then yes, I would want to know, otherwise, not sure what it would prove. It wouldnt even serve the greater good.
This young man did an unfortunate thing that cost him his life and who knows what else. He didnt deserve to die for a sign, however, he was in a country that kills people for looking at them wrong.
06-23-2017 02:24 PM
20/20 tonight (Friday)
06-23-2017 05:54 PM
The boy was so scared and upset during his "trial" that's been televised. Perhaps he felt it would be easier to leave this world than live the 15 yrs of punishment. Trying to "go" could explain lack of oxygen to the brain. Could have been a failed attempt? Just a possibility that struck me, in light of the death of Aaron Hernández.
Someone upstream said he arrived on a vent. I didn't see it reported anywhere that he was on life support. Didn't look like it when he was carried off the plane.
A brain injury doesn't necessarily mean a blow to the head.
Lack of blood/oxygen to the brain will cause what is termed brain injury.
He had to have been getting some medical treatment to survive months of coma.
I didn't see reports that he was diagnosed as being brain dead, as posted above.
A lot of dubious info on this thread.
Very sad, whatever happened.
06-23-2017 06:00 PM
I find it hard to believe the coroner is allowing them to refuse the autopsy.
06-23-2017 08:11 PM
HappyDaze, I'm with you on this. While I respect the family's wishes, this is not a normal death - it was one carried out by a known brutal regime in a country that the U.S. is (from what I remember) still with no peace treaty from the Korean War in the 50s. I'm quite sure that we will never know all of the tests that were done on him while he was hospitalized for his few remaining days, and what the results of those tests are. They might know much more than what we realize.
06-23-2017 11:06 PM
@151949 wrote:I find it hard to believe the coroner is allowing them to refuse the autopsy.
I don't..I am sure the family knows more than the general public needs to know..I was surprised at the amount of information that was made public, due to HIPPA regulations.
06-23-2017 11:18 PM
06-23-2017 11:30 PM
@151949 wrote:I find it hard to believe the coroner is allowing them to refuse the autopsy.
I just watched the 20/20 show about Otto. ABC interviewed a NYC neurologist who did not examine Otto but commented on what the MRIs showed. She said an autopsy would not have shed any light on how he got the almost-year-old brain injuries.
Therefore, really no reason to do the autopsy. Esp. if it's against the parents' religion. If it wouldn't have explained any more, then why do it. I'll take the neurologist's word over yours @151949 ,
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