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[stevieb]

Two paragraphs here... two paragraphs there... A few paragraphs yesterday... and the day before that... and on and on going back for weeks... and then a few more tonight... a few more tomorrow morning... afternoon... and evening... It all adds up @SusieQ_2 ... And thanks for your concern, but I'll skip even the Digest version... When I want numbers I know where to go to find them and it isn't the message boards for a shopping channel's website... 

[Moonlady]

@SusieQ_2 

I'm glad you saw where I got the info, so you don't have wonder, and assume that I invented it.

Yes, "provisional" is relevant, but thinking people will continue to question totals, as long as we routinely hear about (and can clearly see) just how the provisional counts have been manipulated to include deaths from any any underlying cause or terminal illness--simply because those unfortunate souls either also presented with COVID, or were assumed to have had it.

In fact, the National Vital Statistics System, part of the CDC, issued new guidelines for reporting COVID deaths last month, stating that coronavirus should be listed even if it was assumed [emphasis mine] to have caused or contributed to a death. 

It's that pesky "assumed" which troubles me, and which accounts for substantial, large-scale jumps ("corrections") in even state totals. 

Wow! What a difference a day makes.

[Trinity11]

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@stevieb wrote:

As predicted... let the data dumping begin... And since there's so much discrepancy, believe whatever numbers you want... Be advised, however, that nobody in their right mind is disputing that this is killing too many people. Given that, one wonders what the point is of the endless discussion about the extent of the suffering... Do we really need to wallow in it? 

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Facts have nothing to do with "wallowing" in it. If someone posts something untrue, then clearly why would anyone take offense at a correction?

[SusieQ_2]

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@stevieb wrote:

Two paragraphs here... two paragraphs there... A few paragraphs yesterday... and the day before that... and on and on going back for weeks... and then a few more tonight... a few more tomorrow morning... afternoon... and evening... It all adds up @SusieQ_2 ... And thanks for your concern, but I'll skip even the Digest version... When I want numbers I know where to go to find them and it isn't the message boards for a shopping channel's website... 

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Not so, @stevieb , a few paragraphs here and few there don't add up to a data dump. It's clear you don't like the threads regarding the news about Corona as you've posted ad nauseam. Wait...would all your comments equal a data dump? No, I don't think so. Let's use the term correctly.

As for skipping anything here, including the posts about the numbers, who do you think you're kidding, lol? You're here reading and commenting this stuff every day.

My post may come off a little snarky but frankly I didn't appreciate your comment either. If you're interested, maybe we can call it even. 

[stevieb]

Yep, @SusieQ_2  your comments do come off more than a little snarky but have at it if it makes your night a little better... I do comment regularly about these threads, as is my right, and no I don't like them, but my message is often the same... I don't think this is the proper venue for them... And, as I've already said, I continue to wonder, do we really need to wallow in the extent of the suffering? Personally, I don't think so... As for calling it even, I'm not keeping score...

[stevieb]

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@Trinity11 wrote:

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@stevieb wrote:

As predicted... let the data dumping begin... And since there's so much discrepancy, believe whatever numbers you want... Be advised, however, that nobody in their right mind is disputing that this is killing too many people. Given that, one wonders what the point is of the endless discussion about the extent of the suffering... Do we really need to wallow in it? 

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Facts have nothing to do with "wallowing" in it. If someone posts something untrue, then clearly why would anyone take offense at a correction?

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No one is 'taking offense' @Trinity11 at purported corrections... In fact, no one is 'taking offense' in any way... What I am expressing is my own personal view that it is unnecessary to debate the extent of the suffering and misery at all. It's pretty clear there's more than enough to go around and so yes, continuing, as some seem intent on doing, to harp on the absolute extent of the devastation does indeed begin to feel a bit like some folks are choosing to wallow in it and won't be satisfied until we are all wallowing in it...

[SusieQ_2]

@stevieb 

If you weren't keeping score (a comment as false as the one that you won't be reading posts re: the numbers) you wouldn't have felt the need to comment on my unnecessary concern about your problem with too much information. 

I notice while you mention me  "having at it" you made no such statement about yours which was not only snarky but also started our exchange.

At least I tried to offer an olive branch. Sorry you weren't willing to accept it. 

[KarenQVC]

So, the virus is causing all these bad side effects.  We are all in our houses because we didn't close the borders soon enuf, order enuf PPE, and order millions and millions of tests.

Why don't we admit we bungled it and aggressively reverse course?  We can do it.  Why don't we do it now?  If we don't, this will drag out longer and cause more death.

[Isobel Archer]

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@FiddleDeeDee wrote:

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So interesting - I remember they started with the masks, goggles, and gloves during the height of AIDS - but they never stopped treating people then.  Hmmmm.

Just great what fear does to people.

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Perhaps because people didn't get AIDS from breathing on each other--that virus didn't float through the air like COVID does, or live on surfaces for hours, perhaps even days, at a time.

And there aren't enough masks and other PPE for everyone to use to keep the virus out of the air so people can come in close contact with each other that would be necessary for any medical procedure.  

People are hurting, in every way imaginable.  I hope  we'll be able to "contain" the next pandemic before it causes such world-wide havoc and suffering, because there will be another one.

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Oh please.  Do you not realize how some people bleed at the dentist?  AIDS was blood borne.  And in the beginning, it was a death sentence.  The reason they wore masks, goggles and gloves was to prevent infection from the blood - which  sometimes  sprayed.  So yes, it even  went "through the air."

I don't know why I even have to explain that.

[Isobel Archer]

This:

1) How many children should starve in order to make you feel safe?
2) How many families must go bankrupt in order to make you feel safe?
3) How many business owners should lose everything they've worked for in order to make you feel safe?
4) How many people have to lose their jobs, their health insurance, their life savings, to make you feel safe?

Come up with the number of people that you think should surrender their lives for YOUR feelings and YOUR safety.

Does it make you feel safer knowing that your unwarranted fear and panic are costing others their livelihoods and even their lives? If the news had never told you to be afraid of this virus, you wouldn't have been. Regardless of whether things reopen or not, you still have the choice to stay home and not go places if you feel that is what is best for you and your family.

“The greater good” is the greatest lie.
Perspective:
WE ARE NOT IN THE SAME BOAT ...
I heard that we are all in the same boat, but it's not like that. We are in the same storm, but not in the same boat. Your ship could be shipwrecked and mine might not be. Or vice versa.

For some, quarantine is optimal. A moment of reflection, of re-connection, easy in flip flops, with a cocktail or coffee. For others, this is a desperate financial & family crisis.
For some that live alone they're facing endless loneliness. While for others it is peace, rest & time with their mother, father, sons & daughters.

With the $600 weekly increase in unemployment some are bringing in more money to their households than they were working. Others are working more hours for less money due to pay cuts or loss in sales.

Some families of 4 just received $3400 from the stimulus while other families of 4 saw $0.

Some were concerned about getting a certain candy for Easter while others were concerned if there would be enough bread, milk and eggs for the weekend.
Some want to go back to work because they don't qualify for unemployment and are running out of money. Others want to kill those who break the quarantine.

Some are home spending 2-3 hours/day helping their child with online schooling while others are spending 2-3 hours/day to educate their children on top of a 10-12 hour workday.

Some have experienced the near death of the virus, some have already lost someone from it and some are not sure if their loved ones are going to make it. Others don't believe this is a big deal.

Some have faith in God and expect miracles during this 2020. Others say the worst is yet to come.

So, friends, we are not in the same boat. We are going through a time when our perceptions and needs are completely different.

Each of us will emerge, in our own way, from this storm. It is very important to see beyond what is seen at first glance. Not just looking, actually seeing.

We are all on different ships during this storm experiencing a very different journey.
*****Realize that & Be Kind.*****
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