Other Issues as Worrisome as the Virus - Page 4

tansy · ‎01-02-2011

@FiddleDeeDee, my husband and I have each had both knees replaced. All four were bone on bone. Yes, it hurt to walk far or on hard surfaces but we never had to hop or crawl.

FiddleDeeDee said: Surgery. DH was supposed to have his knee replaced. On hold till further notice. He can't walk now. He is confined to where he can hop or crawl. No driving, no stairs, nothing. Know others in the same boat.

Lindsays Grandma · ‎03-10-2010

@maximillian wrote:
Some issues have always been with us, but the number of domestic abuse and child abuse cases have risen rather dramatically where I live. Sadly, those least able to defend themselves take the brunt of anger, frustration and despair.

@maximillian I was perusing the threads and ran into yours. It is frightening to think of young children being abused because crying or complaining got on someone's last nerve. Where do you live, if you don't mind my asking, where domestic and child abuse has risen? Stay safe, stay healthy.

The moving finger writes; And having writ, Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line Nor all your Tears Wash out a Word of it. Omar Khayam

FiddleDeeDee · ‎03-06-2020

@tansy There are many reasons for knee replacement. His is due to two botched operations via the military when he was injured during Persian Gulf. At this point, he is unable to put any weight on his leg; the joint slips as well.

I'm glad you and your husband didn't have the issues with your knees that my husband has.

*Four Seasons once again*

pigletsmom · ‎11-21-2011

@Drythe wrote:
@pigletsmom wrote:
@Drythe wrote:
@Junebug54 wrote:
Before I get jumped on I do totally understand the severity of the virus. But, I also think there are a lot of other serious consequences to be concerned about.

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Unemployment and not being able to feed your family. Mental health. And very importantly lots of serious health issues that are taking a back seat to the virus. Each and every one of these issues are very important to the person dealing with them. I will leave this post on that note. Wishing good health, physical and mental to everyone. I know what I'd like to see happen but I don't have a vote.
@Junebug54

As you say, the issues below the line are consequences of COVID19. Meaning = result, outcome, effect of.

They are not separate entities floating about on their own, they result from our Poor Management of this virus on a National Level.

In my opinion, one must first of all be alive in order to benefit from the other things you mention.

This is NOT an either / or, all or / nothing decision. There are other quite sound alternatives. We are being pitted against one or the other, as if there are no other choices, for reasons of creating divisiveness, and discord, so we will argue against one another, rather than work together to fight this.

If we did all work together
more might ask “Why is there NO National Plan?”
There's no national plan because each state is different. At this point each region in each state is different. You want the feds telling the entire country what to do? After another two weeks I don't even want my part of NY under the same rules as NYC.
@pigletsmom

Federal Emergency Management Administration FEMA. Get it?

Management Of Emergencies which arise to the Federal Level, the citizens, Fund it, no matter what state.

Are you implying that Your State will not be expecting FEMA ‘relief’ the next time a big Ole’ Hurricane, or Tornado, Flood, Wild Fire, Earthquake or Drought hits You?

Well of course I've heard of FEMA. I'm sure you're aware that legally they can't do anything unless a state requests them. FEMA can't just roll into a state and do anything, not even for a hurricane.

I'm well aware that FEMA and the Army Corp and a hospital ship went ito NYC and barely got used. No shock since they were sending paritents to my area 2 1/2 hours away instead. Now my hospitals are trying to get back to some regular business and they aren't allowed to.

Isobel Archer · ‎04-04-2015

@QueenDanceALot wrote:
Unfortunately, all of the things you mention are in large part due to the virus. So they're not exactly separate issues.

I know what I would like to see happen, too, but I don't expect it will, certainly not in the foreseeable future, as I don't believe in magic.

No they are not "due to the virus" - they are due to the "experts" scaring everyone into locking down.

And now the WHO is saying lockdown was not and is not the right answer.

WOW - can these people ever make up their minds?

I am so tired of people virtue signaling - oh we are all in this together - just chill out and eat ice cream - we are doing this to protect others.

No we are destroying livelihoods and lives, preventing people who actually need significant medical care from getting it, subjecting children to domestic abuse, etc. etc.

Isobel Archer · ‎04-04-2015

@FiddleDeeDee wrote:
A few things that I believe are also necessary but are not happening right now:

*Dentist visits. Unless it's an emergency (and that varies as well) having your teeth cleaned or a cavity filled is not happening. Not great if you have children; oral hygiene is still important especially at that age.

*Orthodontists won't take on a patient. Unless you area already one, forget about it. My son was supposed to get braces but we one of many that were informed it was on hold for now. This means that issues that must be addressed will only get worse.

*Gyn issues. My gyn and the practice she belongs to sent out an email stating that unless you are pregnant, they won't be seeing you. No exception. I've spoken with friends and they've been told the same thing.

*Surgery. DH was supposed to have his knee replaced. On hold till further notice. He can't walk now. He is confined to where he can hop or crawl. No driving, no stairs, nothing. Know others in the same boat.

I understand the nightmare we're in regarding this virus. The thing is, life doesn't stop for a virus; for a war; for anything. The trickle down issues are HUGE and I rarely if ever hear anyone talking about the fallout unless it has to do with stocks/unemployment percentages, investments...money and business. It's all I hear about. I would like to bury my mother; I can't. I would like to settle her estate; I can't. I would like to find an attorney who will return my freaking call; I can't. My neighbor needs a plumber so she can have water again; she can't. I have another neighbor who needs a sitter so she can return to work; can't find one.THESE are important and worrisome issues as well yet ignored for the most part. IMHO, this is what people are getting angry and restless about. I know I am.

In VA we were told dentists could open May 1. Well both my periodontist and regular dentist will not open until at least June - and maybe later. I suspect they are concerned about being sued if a patient contends they got the virus from their visit - or who knows - maybe they are afraid they will get it themselves despite the protective gear they already wear.

So interesting - I remember they started with the masks, goggles, and gloves during the height of AIDS - but they never stopped treating people then. Hmmmm.

Just great what fear does to people.

Big Joanie · ‎01-02-2015

@pigletsmom wrote:
@Drythe wrote:
@Junebug54 wrote:
Before I get jumped on I do totally understand the severity of the virus. But, I also think there are a lot of other serious consequences to be concerned about.

****************************************
Unemployment and not being able to feed your family. Mental health. And very importantly lots of serious health issues that are taking a back seat to the virus. Each and every one of these issues are very important to the person dealing with them. I will leave this post on that note. Wishing good health, physical and mental to everyone. I know what I'd like to see happen but I don't have a vote.
@Junebug54

As you say, the issues below the line are consequences of COVID19. Meaning = result, outcome, effect of.

They are not separate entities floating about on their own, they result from our Poor Management of this virus on a National Level.

In my opinion, one must first of all be alive in order to benefit from the other things you mention.

This is NOT an either / or, all or / nothing decision. There are other quite sound alternatives. We are being pitted against one or the other, as if there are no other choices, for reasons of creating divisiveness, and discord, so we will argue against one another, rather than work together to fight this.

If we did all work together
more might ask “Why is there NO National Plan?”
There's no national plan because each state is different. At this point each region in each state is different. You want the feds telling the entire country what to do? After another two weeks I don't even want my part of NY under the same rules as NYC.

What part of NY are you in if I may ask .... I am from Rochester ......

Big Joanie · ‎01-02-2015

New York City has always been a sore subject with those of us

Up State ....

Isobel Archer · ‎04-04-2015

@stevieb wrote:
@Junebug54 wrote:
@deepwaterdotter Ridiculous.... and that's all I'll say.
I tend to agree. I find it interesting that so many folks are willing to cut virtually everyone in any position of managing this mess some slack except one... The usual mantra is about how unprecedented this is... How there is no magic solution... How we really don't know what we're dealing with... and on and on and on... But those considerations apparently don't apply across the board... They seem only to apply to those we like... Unfortunate... Trying to manage this nightmare is not a position I'd think most of us would want to be in, fan or not...

The only thing about this virus that is "unprecedented" is the way it apparently attacks the lungs and causes great distress before death.

The death toll itself is clearly not "unprecenteded." In 1968, we had a pandemic of flu from Hong Kong that killed 100,000 in the US. Note that our population then was 200 million - and is now 328 million.

The regular flu itself killed 80,000 last year. So far this virus has killed less than 66,000 - and yes I'm sure more will die.

The WHO is now saying lockdown was not the answer. Of course, people who tout the medical "experts" - and cite them for the reason we absolutely have to lockdown -now don't want to hear this. So interesting how "expert" opinion is only listened to when it fits the narrative people want to believe.

People who have incomes - or who are getting government help - discount those who are losing everything as if they don't matter - oh our grandparents survived the great depression - it will be fine. No it won't be. We have not yet begun to really see the fallout from this. Farmers are destroying animals and crops. Some of you don't like the Instacart prices - well just wait. This is all just so sad - and so unnessesary.

Patriot3 · ‎06-07-2010

@Mom2Dogs wrote:
@ALRATIBA I certainly hope so. Business owers being threatened when they open THEIR business so they can support their family only to be threatened by their local government, such as yanking their license to operate, taking their liquor license, it goes on and on....and on top of it all still must pay their local taxes...with what, they have NO MONEY! ridiculous.

@Mom2Dogs Our governor and Dr Acton (Ohio) have extended the stay at home until May 29. However, retail can open May 12, but not hair salons, restaurants and others. I say let them open. I think most of us are intelligent enough to use our own judgement as to whether we want to patronize them. I think we are going to see a lot of other sad things happen such as vandalism, abuse, suicide, etc etc. We can't live in fear forever! Very sad.