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01-19-2019 09:45 PM
@manhattan1950 wrote:
@Ms tyrion2 wrote:Dogs in stores is just not something that concerns me.
I've never seen one misbehave. I'm sure it happens now and then and people jump at the chance to tell of it. Just not something I've ever seen.
I don't think twice about a dog in a basket at the grocery store. Babies sit in those things with dirty diapers. I just use the wipes provided.
There is a lot in the world that distresses me. This isn't one of them.
This post and your other post are the BEST posts on this topic. I have NO problem seeing dogs in stores. The ones I've seen are VERY well behaved compared to the MANY unruly, screaming bratty kids I've seen in stores.
@Ms tyrion2 is a very wise poster. She's very thoughtful and considerate, never rude or insulting, @manhattan1950.
01-19-2019 09:51 PM - edited 01-19-2019 09:55 PM
@suzyQ3 wrote:
@manhattan1950 wrote:
@Ms tyrion2 wrote:Dogs in stores is just not something that concerns me.
I've never seen one misbehave. I'm sure it happens now and then and people jump at the chance to tell of it. Just not something I've ever seen.
I don't think twice about a dog in a basket at the grocery store. Babies sit in those things with dirty diapers. I just use the wipes provided.
There is a lot in the world that distresses me. This isn't one of them.
This post and your other post are the BEST posts on this topic. I have NO problem seeing dogs in stores. The ones I've seen are VERY well behaved compared to the MANY unruly, screaming bratty kids I've seen in stores.
@Ms tyrion2 is a very wise poster. She's very thoughtful and considerate, never rude or insulting, @manhattan1950.
THANK YOU so much for your comment. CLEVER - NOT, so TRANSPARENT, but nice try.
01-19-2019 10:11 PM - edited 01-19-2019 10:14 PM
@Pook wrote:
@Harvard99 wrote:
@Pook wrote:
@chrystaltree wrote:
@Pook wrote:A properly trained and certified emotional support dog is considered a service dog and there are many of those! They would have the qualifying vest and paperwork carried in the vest!
That might be true in some localities but definitely not all and many places have cut out "emotional support" animals altogether. Good grief, the vests and paperwork could be purchased online like a pair of shoes...LOL
While you may be able to get fake documents online, the vest is different also and the paperwork has to show legitimate certification which is way different than those from online. There are many who need that help (especially veterans with PTSD who have a difficult time functioning after coming back). Who would be so heartless to begrudge a legitimate support dog for those who have trouble functioning on their own due to emotional issues - especially vets who fought for our country??
I would sooner see dogs in stores than wild, dirty kids!!!
@Pook If someone, especially veterans, legitimately requires a service animal, there are agencies who will assist them and there's funding available to get them a service animal. The ADA itself states that emotional support animals are not service animals. What's so difficult to understand, IT'S THE LAW.
What's so difficult to understand - service animals are all certified and trained and availble to those who need the emotional support in order to function. Like I said they are provided for many - especially veterans with PTSD!!!
PSTD and pyschiatric issues are legitimate disorders recognized by ADA.
It's amazing how heartless some here are!! Who could say a veteran or someone who needs that service dog in order to be able to leave their house is just not entitled to as normal a life as possible!!
@Pook I'm assuming you are referring to my post because you are quoting it. I'm not heartless, you're confused. Veterans can and should get service dogs, if they need them. Unfortunately, if they opt for a comfort animal they won't be able to food shop with it. I wish a veteran would chime in here. I'm exhausted.
01-19-2019 10:29 PM
@Harvard99 wrote:
@Pook wrote:
@Harvard99 wrote:
@Pook wrote:
@chrystaltree wrote:
@Pook wrote:A properly trained and certified emotional support dog is considered a service dog and there are many of those! They would have the qualifying vest and paperwork carried in the vest!
That might be true in some localities but definitely not all and many places have cut out "emotional support" animals altogether. Good grief, the vests and paperwork could be purchased online like a pair of shoes...LOL
While you may be able to get fake documents online, the vest is different also and the paperwork has to show legitimate certification which is way different than those from online. There are many who need that help (especially veterans with PTSD who have a difficult time functioning after coming back). Who would be so heartless to begrudge a legitimate support dog for those who have trouble functioning on their own due to emotional issues - especially vets who fought for our country??
I would sooner see dogs in stores than wild, dirty kids!!!
@Pook If someone, especially veterans, legitimately requires a service animal, there are agencies who will assist them and there's funding available to get them a service animal. The ADA itself states that emotional support animals are not service animals. What's so difficult to understand, IT'S THE LAW.
What's so difficult to understand - service animals are all certified and trained and availble to those who need the emotional support in order to function. Like I said they are provided for many - especially veterans with PTSD!!!
PSTD and pyschiatric issues are legitimate disorders recognized by ADA.
It's amazing how heartless some here are!! Who could say a veteran or someone who needs that service dog in order to be able to leave their house is just not entitled to as normal a life as possible!!
@Pook I'm assuming you are referring to my post because you are quoting it. I'm not heartless, you're confused. Veterans can and should get service dogs, if they need them. Unfortunately, if they opt for a comfort animal they won't be able to food shop with it. I wish a veteran would chime in here. I'm exhausted.
Time to go night-night.
01-19-2019 11:00 PM - edited 01-20-2019 03:40 AM
@wildcat fan wrote:I have allergies, and I've left stores because getting around customers' dogs caused me to start sneezing uncontrollably. The worst time was at a Dillard's department store when the owner brought the dog into the dressing room next to where I was then put it down to run under the stalls.
@wildcat fan You bring up a real issue that hasn't really been mentioned much on this thread.. People with allergies should not have to tolerate being made ill by someone else's pet..
My friend owns a salon and she told me a story about a woman who came in with her lap dog. She was put at a station next to another woman and stated nicely to her that she was severely allergic to dander and asked politely if someone could be moved.
The dog owner was indignant and told her that she could move because her dog was 'not dirty' and an argument ensued. Many pet owners who take their pets everywhere are delusional that their pets are as, or more, important than people. And my friend lost a good customer because of this.
People with pet allergies are entitled to a comfortable and healthy shopping experience. Another important reason to get all the pets (aka emotional support and comfort animals) out of all stores (except Petsmart).
01-19-2019 11:32 PM
@Harvard99 wrote:
@Pook wrote:
@Harvard99 wrote:
@Pook wrote:
@chrystaltree wrote:
@Pook wrote:A properly trained and certified emotional support dog is considered a service dog and there are many of those! They would have the qualifying vest and paperwork carried in the vest!
That might be true in some localities but definitely not all and many places have cut out "emotional support" animals altogether. Good grief, the vests and paperwork could be purchased online like a pair of shoes...LOL
While you may be able to get fake documents online, the vest is different also and the paperwork has to show legitimate certification which is way different than those from online. There are many who need that help (especially veterans with PTSD who have a difficult time functioning after coming back). Who would be so heartless to begrudge a legitimate support dog for those who have trouble functioning on their own due to emotional issues - especially vets who fought for our country??
I would sooner see dogs in stores than wild, dirty kids!!!
@Pook If someone, especially veterans, legitimately requires a service animal, there are agencies who will assist them and there's funding available to get them a service animal. The ADA itself states that emotional support animals are not service animals. What's so difficult to understand, IT'S THE LAW.
What's so difficult to understand - service animals are all certified and trained and availble to those who need the emotional support in order to function. Like I said they are provided for many - especially veterans with PTSD!!!
PSTD and pyschiatric issues are legitimate disorders recognized by ADA.
It's amazing how heartless some here are!! Who could say a veteran or someone who needs that service dog in order to be able to leave their house is just not entitled to as normal a life as possible!!
@Pook I'm assuming you are referring to my post because you are quoting it. I'm not heartless, you're confused. Veterans can and should get service dogs, if they need them. Unfortunately, if they opt for a comfort animal they won't be able to food shop with it. I wish a veteran would chime in here. I'm exhausted.
I want to say in defense of people with therapy DOGS, not the same as service DOGS. The difference is, my dog is a Poodle/Maltese and is a legit Therapy Dog, that had two weekends of training at a legit training place. Then a month training at a hospital. Her paper work is not phony and cost me, along with her Therapy coat, leash, collar and my uniform identifying myself, 200.00. She is not my comfort dog,(although, she brings me comfort, love and friendship), but a comfort dog to people in hospitals, and the ER. The Dr. and nurses love to pet these dogs to relieve their stress, they have stated. She also goes to nursing homes.
One of the rules we were informed was, they cannot go in grocery carts, it,s against the law.
Once in while because I live in a different city from where we volunteer, I need to stop to pick something up at the market. If it is summertime, I can,t leave her in the car, winter I can, but don,t like too because of people here breaking into cars. Most people want to Pet her because she is so cute, sweet and doesn,t bark, nor shed. Once in awhile you get an unhappy person that likes to make a rude comment and think her credentials are phony. We are not hurting anyone and she helps a lot of people in hospitals that miss their own animals or are scared. These rude people don,t know the circumstances, but in their defense, a lot of people might have phony papers , but they might really need that animal. I did have a few people saying, "your dog is better behaved than some kids that come in" .
What harm is there in a dog that is clean, well behaved, being with the person that needs them? Who is it hurting? There are people that just love to be mean for whatever reason. Unless it is hurting you, give them a break. You don,t know their life orcircumstances. My dog has brought many, many smiles and it does my heart good.
01-19-2019 11:47 PM - edited 01-20-2019 01:56 AM
@qvcaddition wrote:
@Harvard99 wrote:
@Pook wrote:
@Harvard99 wrote:
@Pook wrote:
@chrystaltree wrote:
@Pook wrote:A properly trained and certified emotional support dog is considered a service dog and there are many of those! They would have the qualifying vest and paperwork carried in the vest!
That might be true in some localities but definitely not all and many places have cut out "emotional support" animals altogether. Good grief, the vests and paperwork could be purchased online like a pair of shoes...LOL
While you may be able to get fake documents online, the vest is different also and the paperwork has to show legitimate certification which is way different than those from online. There are many who need that help (especially veterans with PTSD who have a difficult time functioning after coming back). Who would be so heartless to begrudge a legitimate support dog for those who have trouble functioning on their own due to emotional issues - especially vets who fought for our country??
I would sooner see dogs in stores than wild, dirty kids!!!
@Pook If someone, especially veterans, legitimately requires a service animal, there are agencies who will assist them and there's funding available to get them a service animal. The ADA itself states that emotional support animals are not service animals. What's so difficult to understand, IT'S THE LAW.
What's so difficult to understand - service animals are all certified and trained and availble to those who need the emotional support in order to function. Like I said they are provided for many - especially veterans with PTSD!!!
PSTD and pyschiatric issues are legitimate disorders recognized by ADA.
It's amazing how heartless some here are!! Who could say a veteran or someone who needs that service dog in order to be able to leave their house is just not entitled to as normal a life as possible!!
@Pook I'm assuming you are referring to my post because you are quoting it. I'm not heartless, you're confused. Veterans can and should get service dogs, if they need them. Unfortunately, if they opt for a comfort animal they won't be able to food shop with it. I wish a veteran would chime in here. I'm exhausted.
I want to say in defense of people with therapy DOGS, not the same as service DOGS. The difference is, my dog is a Poodle/Maltese and is a legit Therapy Dog, that had two weekends of training at a legit training place. Then a month training at a hospital. Her paper work is not phony and cost me, along with her Therapy coat, leash, collar and my uniform identifying myself, 200.00. She is not my comfort dog,(although, she brings me comfort, love and friendship), but a comfort dog to people in hospitals, and the ER. The Dr. and nurses love to pet these dogs to relieve their stress, they have stated. She also goes to nursing homes.
One of the rules we were informed was, they cannot go in grocery carts, it,s against the law.
Once in while because I live in a different city from where we volunteer, I need to stop to pick something up at the market. If it is summertime, I can,t leave her in the car, winter I can, but don,t like too because of people here breaking into cars. Most people want to Pet her because she is so cute, sweet and doesn,t bark, nor shed. Once in awhile you get an unhappy person that likes to make a rude comment and think her credentials are phony. We are not hurting anyone and she helps a lot of people in hospitals that miss their own animals or are scared. These rude people don,t know the circumstances, but in their defense, a lot of people might have phony papers , but they might really need that animal. I did have a few people saying, "your dog is better behaved than some kids that come in" .
What harm is there in a dog that is clean, well behaved, being with the person that needs them? Who is it hurting? There are people that just love to be mean for whatever re too.ason. Unless it is hurting you, give them a break. You don,t know their life orcircumstances. My dog has brought many, many smiles and it does my heart good.
@qvcaddition I assume you're addressing my post, you quoted it. You have so many excuses for doing what YOU WANT TO DO! Why can't you first drive her home from her "job" before you go to the grocery store? Why can't you 'volunteer her services' at a place closer to your home so you don't need to stop at the store with the dog on the way home. I hope people aren't fooled by you post, I'm definitely not.
I know exactly what therapy dogs are. My DB and SIL in Florida have one, it's also coincidentally(?) a Maltypoo, a littlle designer dog that spends a lot of time at the groomer. You could live in Florida too. It's big there, therapy dogs that have never seen the inside of a hospital or nursing home since the pet owner got that certificate in their hand . It'sjust another legal loophole that's disappearing as we speak. Therapy dogs are not permitted in stores. Add them to the list.
THIS THREAD and THIS WORLD HAS GONE TO THE DOGS
01-20-2019 12:27 AM
Pets do not belong in stores. Dogs can have accidents and wet the floor. Actually, it happened in a pet store and no one cleaned it up. It was disgusting.
01-20-2019 01:25 AM
I really hope the stores will enforce this. It makes me nuts when I see people who put their dog in the middle of the cart and knowing someone else is going to use that cart and put their food in it. The stores really need to step up and deal with this.
01-20-2019 02:18 AM
@Harvard99 wrote:
@qvcaddition wrote:
@Harvard99 wrote:
@Pook wrote:
@Harvard99 wrote:
@Pook wrote:
@chrystaltree wrote:
@Pook wrote:A properly trained and certified emotional support dog is considered a service dog and there are many of those! They would have the qualifying vest and paperwork carried in the vest!
That might be true in some localities but definitely not all and many places have cut out "emotional support" animals altogether. Good grief, the vests and paperwork could be purchased online like a pair of shoes...LOL
While you may be able to get fake documents online, the vest is different also and the paperwork has to show legitimate certification which is way different than those from online. There are many who need that help (especially veterans with PTSD who have a difficult time functioning after coming back). Who would be so heartless to begrudge a legitimate support dog for those who have trouble functioning on their own due to emotional issues - especially vets who fought for our country??
I would sooner see dogs in stores than wild, dirty kids!!!
@Pook If someone, especially veterans, legitimately requires a service animal, there are agencies who will assist them and there's funding available to get them a service animal. The ADA itself states that emotional support animals are not service animals. What's so difficult to understand, IT'S THE LAW.
What's so difficult to understand - service animals are all certified and trained and availble to those who need the emotional support in order to function. Like I said they are provided for many - especially veterans with PTSD!!!
PSTD and pyschiatric issues are legitimate disorders recognized by ADA.
It's amazing how heartless some here are!! Who could say a veteran or someone who needs that service dog in order to be able to leave their house is just not entitled to as normal a life as possible!!
@Pook I'm assuming you are referring to my post because you are quoting it. I'm not heartless, you're confused. Veterans can and should get service dogs, if they need them. Unfortunately, if they opt for a comfort animal they won't be able to food shop with it. I wish a veteran would chime in here. I'm exhausted.
I want to say in defense of people with therapy DOGS, not the same as service DOGS. The difference is, my dog is a Poodle/Maltese and is a legit Therapy Dog, that had two weekends of training at a legit training place. Then a month training at a hospital. Her paper work is not phony and cost me, along with her Therapy coat, leash, collar and my uniform identifying myself, 200.00. She is not my comfort dog,(although, she brings me comfort, love and friendship), but a comfort dog to people in hospitals, and the ER. The Dr. and nurses love to pet these dogs to relieve their stress, they have stated. She also goes to nursing homes.
One of the rules we were informed was, they cannot go in grocery carts, it,s against the law.
Once in while because I live in a different city from where we volunteer, I need to stop to pick something up at the market. If it is summertime, I can,t leave her in the car, winter I can, but don,t like too because of people here breaking into cars. Most people want to Pet her because she is so cute, sweet and doesn,t bark, nor shed. Once in awhile you get an unhappy person that likes to make a rude comment and think her credentials are phony. We are not hurting anyone and she helps a lot of people in hospitals that miss their own animals or are scared. These rude people don,t know the circumstances, but in their defense, a lot of people might have phony papers , but they might really need that animal. I did have a few people saying, "your dog is better behaved than some kids that come in" .
What harm is there in a dog that is clean, well behaved, being with the person that needs them? Who is it hurting? There are people that just love to be mean for whatever re too.ason. Unless it is hurting you, give them a break. You don,t know their life orcircumstances. My dog has brought many, many smiles and it does my heart good.
@qvcaddition I assume you're addressing my post, you quoted it. You have so many excuses for doing what YOU WANT TO DO! Why can't you first drive her home from her "job" before you go to the grocery store? Why can't you 'volunteer her services' at a place closer to your home so you don't need to stop at the store with the dog on the way home. I hope people aren't fooled by you post, I'm definitely not.
I know exactly what therapy dogs are. My DB and SIL in Florida have one, it's also coincidentally(?) a Maltypoo, a littlle designer dog that spends a lot of time at the groomer. You could live in Florida too. It's big there, therapy dogs that have never seen the inside of a hospital or nursing home since the pet owner got that certificate in their hand . It'sjust another legal loophole that's disappearing as we speak. Therapy dogs are not permitted in stores. Add them to the list.
THIS THREAD and THIS WORLD HAS GONE TO THE DOGS
I stated I live in a different city and it,s small and we are between two hospitals, none in my small city, more like a town. I travel 20 miles one way. Her job is at the Hospital. Doesn,t matter if you believe me or not. My dog is not a designer dog, but a rescue dog. I do not live in Florida. I feel sorry for someone that sounds like a mean person. Maybe the world is better with dogs than people with your attitude.
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