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[Mindy D]

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@Deree wrote:

@Marp   Yes I have heard Dr. Fauci and at least one other medical expert recently admit they told the public at the beginning that masks weren't necessary for the general public *because* they were needed for the front line workers.  And I give them a pass for doing that!  Can you imagine what would have surely happened had they told the public at the very beginning that you need to wear a mask?  The healthcare and other front line workers would not have had the equipment to take care of all of us!  They were the priority at that time.. And rightly so.  We can all be sure after this experience, this country will have enough PPE for everyone should this happen again.

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@Deree I wish they could have just said that professional masks would not be available to the general public because healthcare workers had a priority. Then I wish they had gone on to say to wear a homemade mask or a disposeable mask that wasn't for professional wear from the beginning. Instead, they didn't trust the public to not wipe out all the pro PPE and they endangered the lives of millions of people by making such a poor decision. At least Dr. Fauci is owning up to this tremendous oversight, but the cost has been very high. 

[pitdakota]

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@Laura14 wrote:

@pitdakota I would agree with you almost every time on this but no one is an expert on a novel virus and she wasn't reporting on virus.  She was reporting on mask wearing.  I understand specialties but I also expect an MD to have a general knowledge base that I can trust on general health matters like what a face covering can and cannot do.  

I think all of our posts are proving my original point.  When you have both sides of the mouth talking with mixed messages, people tune out.  I did because who does a lay person like me know what to believe?  

I don't have time for it with a full time job, burying relatives, and supporting elder family members.  The media needs to get their act together and report more responsibly.  

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@Laura14, good point about the information about the novel coronavirus and the fact she was talking about masks.  

And I hear you about mixed messages.  Been my beef for a long time which is largely due to not having a national response that doctors are leading instead of you know.  

When even the guy at the top changes tune multiple times a day, it kind of gives a person whip lash.  Leave it to the experts to head the national effort and put out the public message.

One of the reasons that Taiwan did so incredibly well.  Even though they are so close to China and have a population that travels back and for every day.   Their public health department put out public service announcements (not saying anything different than our experts have said by the way), the people listened and did what they were asked to do.

Subsequently they have had less than 10 deaths with total number of positive cases under 500.   Population similar to Florida that has now had over 300,000 cases and over 4,500 deaths. 

So we know what works.  

[Deree]

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@Mindy D wrote:

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@Deree wrote:

@Marp   Yes I have heard Dr. Fauci and at least one other medical expert recently admit they told the public at the beginning that masks weren't necessary for the general public *because* they were needed for the front line workers.  And I give them a pass for doing that!  Can you imagine what would have surely happened had they told the public at the very beginning that you need to wear a mask?  The healthcare and other front line workers would not have had the equipment to take care of all of us!  They were the priority at that time.. And rightly so.  We can all be sure after this experience, this country will have enough PPE for everyone should this happen again.

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@Deree I wish they could have just said that professional masks would not be available to the general public because healthcare workers had a priority. Then I wish they had gone on to say to wear a homemade mask or a disposeable mask that wasn't for professional wear from the beginning. Instead, they didn't trust the public to not wipe out all the pro PPE and they endangered the lives of millions of people by making such a poor decision. At least Dr. Fauci is owning up to this tremendous oversight, but the cost has been very high. 

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@Mindy D   Tell people they need to wear a homemade mask because we are in a pandemic and they will go out and hoard the BEST masks they can find.  Guarantee it. In fact there was an almost immediate shortage of N95's because the general public was hoarding them.

Do you see what happened with toilet paper?  That's what people do and that's exactly what would have happened with masks -- pro and otherwise. 

[suzyQ3]

Dr. Fauci was one of many that put out the same message that we know now is incorrect. He has admitted as such.

But is that the reason that today so many, many people refuse to wear masks? I don't think so. I think that a couple of other factors have had far more impact on this fervent resistance.

[Burnsite]

As someone who has travelled to Japan, I am used to seeing masks on people fighting colds and such and trying to help to not spread them--and I mean way before Covid.  It's just something people do when they have upper respiratory infections yet have to go to work.

A traveller to Japan hardly notices after the first day or so--and (in the case of Covid) it can save people who do NOT know they are sick from perhaps killing someone with a fragile immune system.

I  started wearing one as soon as I could find one, and it took a while early on!  Beginning of March?

People stared, but it was they who received any benefit. I had a terrible cold at the time, no fever, but wasn't sure I didn't have CoVid. 

Wearing a mask can't hurt, and it might save a life or two.  Win-Win.

[sunsetbeach]

I am so tired of this mask or no mask debate.  Its such a small thing to ask someone to think of others in this world. Do something for someone else, think of it as a kindness, wear a mask.  If it helps, great, if it doesn't, why in the world can't we attempt to do something for others that also might help ourselves.  I am truly baffled by the people refusing to wear a mask or trying to come up with justfications for not doing it.  And this whole infringing on one's rights to have to wear a mask is ridiculous.  Look at where we are now in this country.  I don't enjoy wearing a mask, but I do it, just in case it will prevent me or my loved ones from catching anything, cold, flu, covid, whatever.  My husband has COPD, he has dificulty breathing and stays home all the time with few exceptions.  During those exceptions, he wears a mask.

[Nancy Drew]

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@Porcelain wrote:

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@Nancy Drew wrote:

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@suzyQ3 wrote:

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@Nancy Drew wrote:

CDC if that is a source you find credible also has mask guidelines.

Cloth mask: Do not filter anything. As you exhale, you are ridding your lung of contaminates and carbon dioxide. Cloth mask trap this carbon dioxide the best. It actually risk your health rather than protect it. The moisture caught in these mask will become mildew ridden in 30 minutes. Dry coughing, enhanced allergies, sore throat are all symptoms of a micro mildew in your mask.  
The CDC reports on N95 respirator and surgical mask. There is a wealth of information over there to make an informed decision. 

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@Nancy Drew, I have seen this debunked many, many times. Are you saying that you saw this on the CDC site? It's been tested and found not to be true.

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Yes. I am confused as to why we are asked to wear mask when the CDC put this out themselves.

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Sea lioning? Or genuinely confused and demanding sources repeatedly and exclusively on only one particular part of one particular subject even though many well-meaning people attempt to explain it over and over and over again.

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@Porcelain @ I am not familiar with the term sea lioning. Generally confused. The rest of your paragraph I am not understanding what you are getting at. As far as well meaning people, well meaning people are not experts just giving their opinion and that includes you and me.

[germanshepherdlove]

@pitdakota the food delivery service that one has to use if they order food from a local butcher does not require their people to wear masks.  They go inside that butcher shop unmasked and deliver it unmasked. 

When I first started ordering from the butcher shop you couldn't go inside..he only had curbside service which was mobbed or home delivery.  I recently found out that very few food delivery co's make it mandatory that their employees wear a mask and many restaurants that they walk into of course require one...I should say all of them do now.  When asked where their mask is they simply state, I don't have to wear one and one totally ignorant 25 year old said, "they're stupid and I never wear one."  When I hear about the young people getting sick, I figure they will only learn the hard way and have no one to blame but themselves.  

The butcher shop is fully open now and we go in person, fully masked of course.  We will never request a delivery service ever again to bring us our food.  

[Mindy D]

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@Deree wrote:

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@Mindy D wrote:

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@Deree wrote:

@Marp   Yes I have heard Dr. Fauci and at least one other medical expert recently admit they told the public at the beginning that masks weren't necessary for the general public *because* they were needed for the front line workers.  And I give them a pass for doing that!  Can you imagine what would have surely happened had they told the public at the very beginning that you need to wear a mask?  The healthcare and other front line workers would not have had the equipment to take care of all of us!  They were the priority at that time.. And rightly so.  We can all be sure after this experience, this country will have enough PPE for everyone should this happen again.

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@Deree I wish they could have just said that professional masks would not be available to the general public because healthcare workers had a priority. Then I wish they had gone on to say to wear a homemade mask or a disposeable mask that wasn't for professional wear from the beginning. Instead, they didn't trust the public to not wipe out all the pro PPE and they endangered the lives of millions of people by making such a poor decision. At least Dr. Fauci is owning up to this tremendous oversight, but the cost has been very high. 

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@Mindy D   Tell people they need to wear a homemade mask because we are in a pandemic and they will go out and hoard the BEST masks they can find.  Guarantee it. In fact there was an almost immediate shortage of N95's because the general public was hoarding them.

Do you see what happened with toilet paper?  That's what people do and that's exactly what would have happened with masks -- pro and otherwise. 

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@Deree @Of course there would have been hoarding. I'm not naive and neither are the epidimiologists and public health officials.  There was hoarding as soon as they said to go ahead and wear a mask, but at least those members of the public that had access to a mask might have saved themself from illness. 

[JustJazzmom]

@germanshepherdlove 

Regarding who is unmasked vs. masked in terms of delivery people, it depends a lot on what the Governor has mandated or put into place. If the Governor insists all shall be masked via an Executive Order, that is the law of the state for the time being, until rescinded.