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[GenXmuse]

Are the mountains heavily populated? Might be safer there than where you and she live. 

[Mominohio]

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@EatWell wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

I'm on your side! I wouldn't want to be even social distancing with people I know had been traveling. 

Everyone has their own level of comfort with risk. I'm not even going to my son's baby shower for my first grand child, as the house will be full of many people I don't know, many of whom are doing no distancing or mask wearing unless mandated. So I'm not risking bringing sickness to my elderly mom by attending this function.

It's meant a lot of sacrifices to stand strong and distance ourselves from people who are not doing the right or the smart thing when it comes to taking risks. I won't condemn them, and I'm grateful that they let us know exactly where they stand on the issue,or what they are/aren't doing so we can make an informed choice as to who to be around. 

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@Mominohio 

Isnt  your son and DIL concerned?   Have you talked to them about your concerns?What if someone at the baby shower is asymtomatic and not wearing a mask?  And, heaven forbid,  infects someone at the party with the deadly Covid-19 virus?

BTW, Congrats on your grand child to be. 👍

“Stay safe. Stay home.”

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@EatWell 

My son is one of those 20 somethings that knows more than his mom. 

We raised him to be an independent thinker and not be a follower, but investigate and make your own conclusions. And with that, be prepared to accept the consequences of what your choices bring, good or bad.

He's done that, and believes that while the virus is real, and certain populations are at high risk, he isn't, and isn't going to follow what he (and many others) consider a politically motivated and money motivated narrative about what the responses should be and what the results of the mandated responses is really going to be.

You wouldn't know it from these boards, but there is a significant number of people out there that have just as many studies and just as many physicians and scientists saying different than the 'official' narrative of this virus (probably because they are being silenced). 

I doubt that what we are doing with masks is having the effects they want us to believe. We have been lied to from the beginning about the virus, and what our response should be. I have really very little trust in the system.

I'm old enough, experienced enough though, and my risk level runs rather low, so I wear a mask in public places, and I pretty much don't go anywhere or do anything since this started. Store trips, doctor appointments  only. No restaurants, no social visits unless outside and kept apart from others. I spend time each day helping my 84 year old mom (who has health risks), and so I go the cautious route. She is my top priority in decision making and behavior during this time.My husband is still working full time, so his exposure is all the risk I'm willing to take where she is concerned.

I know that the truth about what is real, what is working, the numbers concerning this virus are things that we MAY only know about well on into the future, if at all. I only do what I do out of an overabundance of caution, not because I have any real faith or belief in the powers that be in either the scientific field or the government , when it comes to what they feed us during this time. 

So while I would prefer my son have the same level of risk aversion that I do, I cannot force him, and I cannot really say that he is wrong about the sources and statistics he states when we discuss this. I can at this point only control me, and distance myself from those that aren't being as cautious as I am. It is what it is. 

[suzyQ3]

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@EatWell wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

I'm on your side! I wouldn't want to be even social distancing with people I know had been traveling. 

Everyone has their own level of comfort with risk. I'm not even going to my son's baby shower for my first grand child, as the house will be full of many people I don't know, many of whom are doing no distancing or mask wearing unless mandated. So I'm not risking bringing sickness to my elderly mom by attending this function.

It's meant a lot of sacrifices to stand strong and distance ourselves from people who are not doing the right or the smart thing when it comes to taking risks. I won't condemn them, and I'm grateful that they let us know exactly where they stand on the issue,or what they are/aren't doing so we can make an informed choice as to who to be around. 

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@Mominohio 

Isnt  your son and DIL concerned?   Have you talked to them about your concerns?What if someone at the baby shower is asymtomatic and not wearing a mask?  And, heaven forbid,  infects someone at the party with the deadly Covid-19 virus?

BTW, Congrats on your grand child to be. 👍

“Stay safe. Stay home.”

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@EatWell 

My son is one of those 20 somethings that knows more than his mom. 

We raised him to be an independent thinker and not be a follower, but investigate and make your own conclusions. And with that, be prepared to accept the consequences of what your choices bring, good or bad.

He's done that, and believes that while the virus is real, and certain populations are at high risk, he isn't, and isn't going to follow what he (and many others) consider a politically motivated and money motivated narrative about what the responses should be and what the results of the mandated responses is really going to be.

You wouldn't know it from these boards, but there is a significant number of people out there that have just as many studies and just as many physicians and scientists saying different than the 'official' narrative of this virus (probably because they are being silenced). 

I doubt that what we are doing with masks is having the effects they want us to believe. We have been lied to from the beginning about the virus, and what our response should be. I have really very little trust in the system.

I'm old enough, experienced enough though, and my risk level runs rather low, so I wear a mask in public places, and I pretty much don't go anywhere or do anything since this started. Store trips, doctor appointments  only. No restaurants, no social visits unless outside and kept apart from others. I spend time each day helping my 84 year old mom (who has health risks), and so I go the cautious route. She is my top priority in decision making and behavior during this time.My husband is still working full time, so his exposure is all the risk I'm willing to take where she is concerned.

I know that the truth about what is real, what is working, the numbers concerning this virus are things that we MAY only know about well on into the future, if at all. I only do what I do out of an overabundance of caution, not because I have any real faith or belief in the powers that be in either the scientific field or the government , when it comes to what they feed us during this time. 

So while I would prefer my son have the same level of risk aversion that I do, I cannot force him, and I cannot really say that he is wrong about the sources and statistics he states when we discuss this. I can at this point only control me, and distance myself from those that aren't being as cautious as I am. It is what it is. 

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@Mominohio, it's your and your son's right to listen and trust people outside the the realms of science and government. I am just glad that one of you is at least taking the precautions they advise.

[candys mine]

@GenXmuseMay be the case where she stays, But there's still the airports and the plane cabins full of passengers she is exposed to at least Twice to take into account.

[Deree]

@Mominohio   I have to admit I bristled when I read about your son's response.  Guess it's because I personally know 5 people between the ages of 25-35 who are now dead from covid-19.  One of them is my cousin.  My nephew has also been separated from his family with 2 young kids since March because he is an ER doctor.

[Mominohio]

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@suzyQ3 wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@EatWell wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

I'm on your side! I wouldn't want to be even social distancing with people I know had been traveling. 

Everyone has their own level of comfort with risk. I'm not even going to my son's baby shower for my first grand child, as the house will be full of many people I don't know, many of whom are doing no distancing or mask wearing unless mandated. So I'm not risking bringing sickness to my elderly mom by attending this function.

It's meant a lot of sacrifices to stand strong and distance ourselves from people who are not doing the right or the smart thing when it comes to taking risks. I won't condemn them, and I'm grateful that they let us know exactly where they stand on the issue,or what they are/aren't doing so we can make an informed choice as to who to be around. 

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@Mominohio 

Isnt  your son and DIL concerned?   Have you talked to them about your concerns?What if someone at the baby shower is asymtomatic and not wearing a mask?  And, heaven forbid,  infects someone at the party with the deadly Covid-19 virus?

BTW, Congrats on your grand child to be. 👍

“Stay safe. Stay home.”

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@EatWell 

My son is one of those 20 somethings that knows more than his mom. 

We raised him to be an independent thinker and not be a follower, but investigate and make your own conclusions. And with that, be prepared to accept the consequences of what your choices bring, good or bad.

He's done that, and believes that while the virus is real, and certain populations are at high risk, he isn't, and isn't going to follow what he (and many others) consider a politically motivated and money motivated narrative about what the responses should be and what the results of the mandated responses is really going to be.

You wouldn't know it from these boards, but there is a significant number of people out there that have just as many studies and just as many physicians and scientists saying different than the 'official' narrative of this virus (probably because they are being silenced). 

I doubt that what we are doing with masks is having the effects they want us to believe. We have been lied to from the beginning about the virus, and what our response should be. I have really very little trust in the system.

I'm old enough, experienced enough though, and my risk level runs rather low, so I wear a mask in public places, and I pretty much don't go anywhere or do anything since this started. Store trips, doctor appointments  only. No restaurants, no social visits unless outside and kept apart from others. I spend time each day helping my 84 year old mom (who has health risks), and so I go the cautious route. She is my top priority in decision making and behavior during this time.My husband is still working full time, so his exposure is all the risk I'm willing to take where she is concerned.

I know that the truth about what is real, what is working, the numbers concerning this virus are things that we MAY only know about well on into the future, if at all. I only do what I do out of an overabundance of caution, not because I have any real faith or belief in the powers that be in either the scientific field or the government , when it comes to what they feed us during this time. 

So while I would prefer my son have the same level of risk aversion that I do, I cannot force him, and I cannot really say that he is wrong about the sources and statistics he states when we discuss this. I can at this point only control me, and distance myself from those that aren't being as cautious as I am. It is what it is. 

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@Mominohio, it's your and your son's right to listen and trust people outside the the realms of science and government. I am just glad that one of you is at least taking the precautions they advise.

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It is indeed everyone's right to trust the sources they find to be legitimate, it just seems that when it comes to health and science, you are a denier, a hater, a fool, when you don't fall on the 'correct' side of the topic, regardless of how many legit sources you can match to the other side. 

People really need to continue to advocate for what they feel is right in this mask/distancing/virus thing, and stop the hating of those who have another view.

My family (extended included) is divided right down the middle with this. Some are doing the mandated things willingly and beyond, some are doing what they have to when they have to, and some are doing nothing different in their daily lives. 

We aren't going to change their minds by name calling, demeaning, intimidating, shaming. We need to spend that time and effort setting up our lives to be as safe as we can, and not have the unrealistic expectations that everyone is going to get on board, about anything, any time, anywhere. This included.

[Mominohio]

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@Deree wrote:

@Mominohio   I have to admit I bristled when I read about your son's response.  Guess it's because I personally know 5 people between the ages of 25-35 who are now dead from covid-19.  One of them is my cousin.  My nephew has also been separated from his family with 2 young kids since March because he is an ER doctor.

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@Deree 

That amount of people to personally know, dead from Covid, is staggering. I can't imagine. 

I believe the issue is that not everyone's reality is the same when it comes to this (or most things in life I suppose). We often talk about the fact that no one we know has even been diagnosed with Covid, and no one we know even knows of anyone in their personal lives that has. We of course see the news, and hear the stories, but it really isn't up front and personal for so many people, and I am sure that helps to color their reactions and responses. Until it hits home, many people will not understand or be moved to react differently, be it this or any other issue or circumstance.

There are two other factors I believe to be in play. 

One is that we have been and most likely are being lied to about the virus, it's numbers, what are the proper protocols (remember we didn't need a mask in the beginning, just wash your hands, cover your cough and stay home if feeling sick?). People loose faith in the science and in the officials (government or health), and react accordingly.

And I believe a lot of people are lying about what they are and are not doing. Not directing that at anyone here. But in the general population, many people are going to say that they are doing something because of social pressure, and fear of being attacked for not conforming, when in reality, they are not doing it, or not following through with doing it consistently. 

I think a lot of people under 40 are telling the elders in their family that they are following the guidelines and mandates, even going above and beyond, but they cut corners, at best, and tell them what they want to hear, while their families believe what they are told. Kind of like what goes on with teen drivers, swearing they are following all the laws and rules, but we know they aren't always doing so. I know people who are being 'good' only so long or in only in certain circumstances, but not consistently.

So while I don't agree with his choices, I will say I'm at least glad he is up front with me about his views, as well as his behavior so I know what I need to do in relation to contact with him. 

[Deree]

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@Deree wrote:

@Mominohio   I have to admit I bristled when I read about your son's response.  Guess it's because I personally know 5 people between the ages of 25-35 who are now dead from covid-19.  One of them is my cousin.  My nephew has also been separated from his family with 2 young kids since March because he is an ER doctor.

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@Deree 

That amount of people to personally know, dead from Covid, is staggering. I can't imagine. 

I believe the issue is that not everyone's reality is the same when it comes to this (or most things in life I suppose). We often talk about the fact that no one we know has even been diagnosed with Covid, and no one we know even knows of anyone in their personal lives that has. We of course see the news, and hear the stories, but it really isn't up front and personal for so many people, and I am sure that helps to color their reactions and responses. Until it hits home, many people will not understand or be moved to react differently, be it this or any other issue or circumstance.

There are two other factors I believe to be in play. 

One is that we have been and most likely are being lied to about the virus, it's numbers, what are the proper protocols (remember we didn't need a mask in the beginning, just wash your hands, cover your cough and stay home if feeling sick?). People loose faith in the science and in the officials (government or health), and react accordingly.

And I believe a lot of people are lying about what they are and are not doing. Not directing that at anyone here. But in the general population, many people are going to say that they are doing something because of social pressure, and fear of being attacked for not conforming, when in reality, they are not doing it, or not following through with doing it consistently. 

I think a lot of people under 40 are telling the elders in their family that they are following the guidelines and mandates, even going above and beyond, but they cut corners, at best, and tell them what they want to hear, while their families believe what they are told. Kind of like what goes on with teen drivers, swearing they are following all the laws and rules, but we know they aren't always doing so. I know people who are being 'good' only so long or in only in certain circumstances, but not consistently.

So while I don't agree with his choices, I will say I'm at least glad he is up front with me about his views, as well as his behavior so I know what I need to do in relation to contact with him. 

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@Mominohio  Yep there's a ton of empathy and common sense lacking in this country.  Empathy in being able to feel or relate to what others are suffering even if it doesn't affect you personally and common sense in not understanding a simple fact of protecting oneself from a highly infectious and potentially lethal virus without having to be told by officials what needs to be done.  And I don't know how many months of hearing news reports and seeing videos would cause a person to continue to call this virus a lie either.  I SMH and lose all hope for humanity every time I hear someone express this view.  IMO we are doomed if people don't start acknowledging this virus and start changing their practices.

[Kachina624]

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@haddon9 wrote:

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@shoesnbags wrote:

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@EatWell wrote:

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@Bannafanna wrote:

I live in a small neighborhood. We have a group of four neighbors who walk and swim for daily exercise. We practice the 6 foot rule walking and swimming. One of our group is flying out to the mountains for a week of new sights. It's my feeling that when she returns, she needs to quarantine for 10 to 14 days. She, the traveler, disagrees. She feels like she can return home and step back in to the exercise group. Am I being too ridged by not wanting to be exposed to her after air flight and trip?

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@Bannafanna 

You do not know who she will be in contact with.   They could be asymptomatic and give the virus to your neighbor.  And then spread the virus to you and others..

Refer to CDC guidelines for travel.

JMO

“Stay safe. Stay home.”

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@EatWell  Just to let you know, I won't be reading any of your posts as long as that bug is scrolling on the screen. It gives me the willies and I have to scroll down immediately till it's off my screen. You might be saying something interesting, but I'll never know. 

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@shoesnbags   I feel the same way!  Makes me itchy just looking at it!

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@haddon9    Amen!

[suzyQ3]

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@suzyQ3 wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

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@EatWell wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

I'm on your side! I wouldn't want to be even social distancing with people I know had been traveling. 

Everyone has their own level of comfort with risk. I'm not even going to my son's baby shower for my first grand child, as the house will be full of many people I don't know, many of whom are doing no distancing or mask wearing unless mandated. So I'm not risking bringing sickness to my elderly mom by attending this function.

It's meant a lot of sacrifices to stand strong and distance ourselves from people who are not doing the right or the smart thing when it comes to taking risks. I won't condemn them, and I'm grateful that they let us know exactly where they stand on the issue,or what they are/aren't doing so we can make an informed choice as to who to be around. 

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@Mominohio 

Isnt  your son and DIL concerned?   Have you talked to them about your concerns?What if someone at the baby shower is asymtomatic and not wearing a mask?  And, heaven forbid,  infects someone at the party with the deadly Covid-19 virus?

BTW, Congrats on your grand child to be. 👍

“Stay safe. Stay home.”

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@EatWell 

My son is one of those 20 somethings that knows more than his mom. 

We raised him to be an independent thinker and not be a follower, but investigate and make your own conclusions. And with that, be prepared to accept the consequences of what your choices bring, good or bad.

He's done that, and believes that while the virus is real, and certain populations are at high risk, he isn't, and isn't going to follow what he (and many others) consider a politically motivated and money motivated narrative about what the responses should be and what the results of the mandated responses is really going to be.

You wouldn't know it from these boards, but there is a significant number of people out there that have just as many studies and just as many physicians and scientists saying different than the 'official' narrative of this virus (probably because they are being silenced). 

I doubt that what we are doing with masks is having the effects they want us to believe. We have been lied to from the beginning about the virus, and what our response should be. I have really very little trust in the system.

I'm old enough, experienced enough though, and my risk level runs rather low, so I wear a mask in public places, and I pretty much don't go anywhere or do anything since this started. Store trips, doctor appointments  only. No restaurants, no social visits unless outside and kept apart from others. I spend time each day helping my 84 year old mom (who has health risks), and so I go the cautious route. She is my top priority in decision making and behavior during this time.My husband is still working full time, so his exposure is all the risk I'm willing to take where she is concerned.

I know that the truth about what is real, what is working, the numbers concerning this virus are things that we MAY only know about well on into the future, if at all. I only do what I do out of an overabundance of caution, not because I have any real faith or belief in the powers that be in either the scientific field or the government , when it comes to what they feed us during this time. 

So while I would prefer my son have the same level of risk aversion that I do, I cannot force him, and I cannot really say that he is wrong about the sources and statistics he states when we discuss this. I can at this point only control me, and distance myself from those that aren't being as cautious as I am. It is what it is. 

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@Mominohio, it's your and your son's right to listen and trust people outside the the realms of science and government. I am just glad that one of you is at least taking the precautions they advise.

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It is indeed everyone's right to trust the sources they find to be legitimate, it just seems that when it comes to health and science, you are a denier, a hater, a fool, when you don't fall on the 'correct' side of the topic, regardless of how many legit sources you can match to the other side. 

People really need to continue to advocate for what they feel is right in this mask/distancing/virus thing, and stop the hating of those who have another view.

My family (extended included) is divided right down the middle with this. Some are doing the mandated things willingly and beyond, some are doing what they have to when they have to, and some are doing nothing different in their daily lives. 

We aren't going to change their minds by name calling, demeaning, intimidating, shaming. We need to spend that time and effort setting up our lives to be as safe as we can, and not have the unrealistic expectations that everyone is going to get on board, about anything, any time, anywhere. This included.

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I'm not so sure about that, @Mominohio. If someones trusts a person or site that, say, proposes that the virus was caused but aliens from Mars and will disappear on its own, I'd say that that is an extremely dangerous source. And I exaggerate only slightly.

Not all ideas are equally credible. And of course information will advance as we know more.