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Re: My simple solution re: traffic stops...

If that video footage hadn't surfaced, I suspect that officer would still be on the force.

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On 4/8/2015 SydneyH said:

If that video footage hadn't surfaced, I suspect that officer would still be on the force.

Not 100% sure about that. An autopsy would have revealed the entry wounds into his back. A possibility? Yes. But can't be 100% it would have been dismissed so easily.

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Ostensibly there's nothing wrong with stopping drivers for traffic violations. However, sometimes those traffic stops have tragically resulted in police being killed by the driver who has been stopped. In the horrendous case that we have seen all over the news, a man who was stopped for a tail light that was out was chased by a policemen and shot and killed by eight shots to the back. It was all recorded so there is not much question about what happened. The policeman also dropped his taser gun and placed it next to the body, allegedly trying to set up a scenario in which he could say the dead man had tried to take the taser. The video shows what really happened. The cop was arrested for murder. The 50 year old victim had four children. The suggestion of mailing tickets has been suggested in the hope of avoiding these tragic situations.
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On 4/8/2015 Qwackertoo said:

Not 100% sure about that. An autopsy would have revealed the entry wounds into his back. A possibility? Yes. But can't be 100% it would have been dismissed so easily.

Before the footage was reviewed by authorities, he was uncharged and still on the force, though on admin leave. Authorities already had a prelim autopsy too. Guess they needed to see it to believe it.

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The entire scenario was on camera?

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On 4/8/2015 Lucky charm said:

The entire scenario was on camera?


It's my understanding is the entire incident was captured by a passerby on their camera phone. They gave the footage to the family of the victim who passed it on to authorities who have deemed it authentic.

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On 4/8/2015 SydneyH said:
On 4/8/2015 Qwackertoo said:

Not 100% sure about that. An autopsy would have revealed the entry wounds into his back. A possibility? Yes. But can't be 100% it would have been dismissed so easily.

Before the footage was reviewed by authorities, he was uncharged and still on the force, though on admin leave. Authorities already had a prelim autopsy too. Guess they needed to see it to believe it.

This doesn't give a date of the preliminary autopsy. And this happened on Saturday. The Mr. Stewart is the Scott families attorney. I heard about this yesterday with the video and arrest of the officer. I don't have a timeline.

Mr. Stewart said the coroner had told him that Mr. Scott was struck five times — three times in the back, once in the upper buttocks and once in the ear — with at least one bullet entering his heart. It is not clear whether Mr. Scott died immediately. (The coroner’s office declined to make the report available to The Times.)

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On 4/8/2015 Vivian said: Ostensibly there's nothing wrong with stopping drivers for traffic violations. However, sometimes those traffic stops have tragically resulted in police being killed by the driver who has been stopped. In the horrendous case that we have seen all over the news, a man who was stopped for a tail light that was out was chased by a policemen and shot and killed by eight shots to the back. It was all recorded so there is not much question about what happened. The policeman also dropped his taser gun and placed it next to the body, allegedly trying to set up a scenario in which he could say the dead man had tried to take the taser. The video shows what really happened. The cop was arrested for murder. The 50 year old victim had four children. The suggestion of mailing tickets has been suggested in the hope of avoiding these tragic situations.

Traffic stops are essential for getting drivers off the street that have no business being there. Drivers that are drunk, driving without insurance, have outstanding warrants, etc... Many times someone driving with a broken tail light, bad registration, a crack in the windshield are also driving without insurance or another traffic infraction because they can't afford that either.

This man that was pulled over and shot had failed to pay child support. I don't know how it works in other states but states I have lived in they suspend the license of those who owe back child support so it is very likely he was driving without a license. While he was a complete victim of this disgusting cop and there was absolutely no reason for what happened to him, what did happen to him makes up an infinitesimal percentage of traffic stops for the public. There are millions and millions of traffic stops each day and when it comes down to it the police are overwhelmingly the ones on the losing end of that proposition.

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On 4/8/2015 Qwackertoo said:

This doesn't give a date of the preliminary autopsy. And this happened on Saturday. The Mr. Stewart is the Scott families attorney. I heard about this yesterday with the video and arrest of the officer. I don't have a timeline.

Mr. Stewart said the coroner had told him that Mr. Scott was struck five times — three times in the back, once in the upper buttocks and once in the ear — with at least one bullet entering his heart. It is not clear whether Mr. Scott died immediately. (The coroner’s office declined to make the report available to The Times.)


Understood, I'd like to think three bullets to the back of an unarmed man fleeing would be enough for an automatic ouster, but due process is always best, I guess, lol.

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On 4/8/2015 SydneyH said:
On 4/8/2015 Lucky charm said:

The entire scenario was on camera?


It's my understanding is the entire incident was captured by a passerby on their camera phone. They gave the footage to the family of the victim who passed it on to authorities who have deemed it authentic.

Just because he hadn't been charged, definitely doesn't mean he wouldn't have been. They would have had to wait for autopsy results and explaining 8 bullets in the BACK would have been difficult to explain even if he did say he tried to steal his taser. The camera footage just sped up what would have most likely been found by forensic evidence.

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