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[minkbunny]

On 4/11/2015 Lucibee said:

Minkbunny, what happened to your post?

I guess the truth hurts, huh? "Somebody" didn't like it. That's okay. I shall continue to say that if a poster wants to be heard, they need to also learn to listen.

[terrier3]

On 4/11/2015 YorkieonmyPillow said:

The whole thing looks fake to me...how do you shoot someone and there's absolutely no blood???

Huh????

It's not an episode of CSI...

I suppose the coffin buried today was empty too...and the autopsy was faked.

[Mominohio]

On 4/11/2015 scotttie said:

Give up mominohio. You are wasting your time with some. They refuse to read what you are actually saying.

Scottie, I do know they don't want to hear it, but I'm the daughter of a cop, and one that had to go through an officer involved shooting. I was raised to take responsibility. People today don't take responsibility for things they do, they say, they don't do, they should do, etc. I just won't let it rest, when people don't see how we are so very often the masters of our own fate. Sometimes we don't intend for things to turn out like they do. We never planned it that way, we sometimes never even saw it coming, but in retrospect, we can see we created the climate and conditions for it all to happen.

What I wish, is that people who spend their time picking just one side of this, would learn and teach others (my kid is my example) how thing like this develop, escalate out of control, and become tragic. I want people to learn from such experience, to not repeat it, and help others see how to not repeat it.

When the Trayvon Martin thing went down, I had long discussions with my kid about diffusing situations, avoiding situations, people and places where bad things are more likely to occur. Avoid behaviors that lead to people making bad judgments about you, which can lead to further conflict, and so on.

The last officer involved shooting, that just made big news should have been a warning to people. Police should be looking to build bridges, and citizens, especially those already 'targeted' or those with outstanding records/warrants, who will spike the police radar more quickly, should be changing their behavior so as to diffuse situations they find themselves in with the law.

Every person, in virtually every situation has some possibility of some control in how that situation ends. Sometimes they panic and mistakenly choose to do the wrong thing, sometimes they plain and simple do the wrong thing on purpose. Either way, they bear some of the responsibility.

I appreciate you seeing where I'm coming from and I appreciate the support. Thanks.

[Mominohio]

On 4/11/2015 Lila Belle said:

On 4/11/2015 mominohio said:

On 4/11/2015 terrier3 said:

On 4/11/2015 mominohio said:

If this is directed at me, then show me where I stated it was his total fault he is dead. I did not. From the beginning I have said, he <em>shares</em> in the responsibility of the events that took place, and he initiated them. He exacerbated them by running, and not following the directions of the officer.

So sorry that it didn't work out for him, and it happens like that everyday in all kinds of situations not related to law enforcement. Life isn't fair, and even though we didn't do enough wrong to justify it, we get hit with things in a way bigger proportion than is fair for our input into the situation. Makes you think, that maybe we should think before we do, and just plain stand up, when we know we're busted, take responsibility for where we are with the situation, and not make it worse.

Even the man's own father said he thinks he ran because he didn't want to go to jail, he'd been there and didn't want to go back. Let's see, go to jail, or risk, in light of what is going on with these situations, make a move that could lead to death?

Nope, he didn't have long to assess the situation, try to decide how to proceed, or what the long term consequences might be with every available option. Neither did the cop.

He shares nothing.

The officer was 100% responsible for shooting an innocent man. He broke every rule in the police handbook. We don't live in a police state. They have to follow the law too.

The officer had the man's license. Even if he had a child support warrant, the police knew where he lived, they had his car and he could have been picked up later. I don't think the officer even knew about the child support - it happened too quickly.

My earlier point exactly. Why run? They had you to rights. They were going to get you on this (maybe, if the warrant wasn't served, then they were probably having trouble finding him) now or later. Stand up, be a man, and live up to your responsibility then and there. The officer in dash cam video was calm and respectful. Why run?

He CHOSE to run. He took the risk all on his own accord. I didn't see anyone egging him on. He made a stupid move and paid for it with his life. Did he pay too high a price? Of course he did, but the bottom line still remains, he made choices, clear back to what caused the issuing of the warrant. He initiated, way back then, the chain of events that ended in his death. He made choices at each point along the way. He bears some responsibility. Period.

Scott chose to run.

Slagle decided to murder him.

Period.

Yes. Chain of events, each responsible for what they did and where it led. Are we agreeing?

Although the murder charge is just that at this time. We'll see if there is a conviction, when all the evidence is in.

[Irshgrl31201]

I do agree that Mominohio is not saying at all that the cop should not be charged with murder if/when the investigation shows what happened. I don't think she is defending him by pointing out what she has.

I also agree about what Mominohio said in regards to the 2 things happening to good cops after something like this happens. I have many cops and correctional officers as friends and they are becoming more and more concerned with their own safety. The good cops outweigh the bad cops by leaps and bounds.

When Taraji P Hensen claimed that her son was mistreated by cops in Glendale when he got pulled over and was illegally searched there was an outrage. When the dash board cam was released showing that not only to be not true, but her son being given a break after he had ADHD drugs on him with no script and those are a controlled substance. He could have been arrested right away but was given a big break by the officer who really treated her son well. IT also showed that he was not illegally searched at all. I didn't hear much from the same people who were treating their outrage. Now Taraji apologized and I am sure she felt like a fool that her son lied to her but I didn't see any other people who were ready to tear this cops head off, so much as apologize or acknowledge that not only wasn't he mistreated but he was treated very very well by this officer.

[minkbunny]

Mominohio, from a family with a long lineage of law enforcement officers - even to the point of marrying one and raising one - bless you.

[Mominohio]

On 4/11/2015 sidsmom said:

I've been letting this thread 'marinate' before responding. mominohio is spot on.

This case is broken down into two parts:
Part 1 - Scott being stopped
Part 2 - Slager shooting

Part 1: Scott was a criminal. He owed $18,000+ for child support...wrong. He doesn't have registration or insurance on the car...wrong. He briefly gets out of the car...wrong. He flees the scene...wrong. Scott's actions were wrong.

Part 2: Officer Slager shot Mr. Scott. The WORLD agrees this was wrong.

Two Wrongs Don't Make a Right. Unfortunately someone is dead & a small Carolina town might have another 'Ferguson' on their hands.

I'll be curious to hear Officer Slager's defense. Did he think Mr. Scott was armed? As LE, Scott's actions clearly state he could be dangerous. I'm almost as concerned it took LE eight shots to bring down a fleeing suspect...those bullets could've hit anyone (like the kid filming). If anything, Slager should be off the Force for that reason alone.

I've been reading a lot of national blogs, websites & comment sections about this trying to see both sides....and have been unsuccessful. No one, repeat, NO ONE is siding with the police officer. Continually posting on this forum 'can't imagine how she can defend the officer' makes said posters look....silly! BUT...those that want to expand their minds & intelligently assess current news stories, let's talk...mominohio!!

Thanks for seeing I'm not defending the officer. I'm simply trying to get those who totally condemn him to see that Mr Scott contributed, even unwittingly, to the results of that encounter. Doesn't mean it was the right results, just means that he bears some burden in the unfortunate outcome of the situation.

And I have to admit. I 've been back and forth between here and prom preparations for tonight, so not caught up on the 'real' news of any updates on this story. I'm speaking more in theory about responsibilities than what may actually be the latest facts on this case. Hope to get caught up on that late tonight.

[RainCityGirl]

Since WHEN are cops trained to shoot to kill in a situation of a broken tail light and a child support delinquency? Cops are trained to use reasonable judgement and diffuse before things get out of hand. They shoot to kill when they are in very dangerous situations, and many of them do find themselves in that scenario. This guy just made it that much more difficult for truly conscientious officers. That officer did NOT have probable cause to shoot that fleeing man in the back, and he lied about his life being threatened. IT WASN't. Period. You can contrive all kinds of fantasies in your heads to excuse this cop, but he was wrong....dead wrong. Had there not been a video and a man in the car, this cop would have gone free untarnished by his decision, just as other cops have. They can turn off any cams they have on their person, but they can't turn off all the other cameras of private citizens that may be watching and recording them. There have always been dirty cops and overly aggressive cops that give a bad name to others. It's a shame, really. And the guy who fled? Sure, he used bad judgement thinking fleeing would help him avoid jail time for deliquent child support. They would have caught up to him eventually anyway. He paid for it with his life because a rogue cop couldn't control himself. We don't need irrational people on the police force as well as the citizenry.

[Mominohio]

On 4/11/2015 melfie said:

On 4/11/2015 sidsmom said:

I've been letting this thread 'marinate' before responding. mominohio is spot on.

This case is broken down into two parts:<br /> Part 1 - Scott being stopped<br /> Part 2 - Slager shooting

Part 1: Scott was a criminal. He owed $18,000+ for child support...wrong. He doesn't have registration or insurance on the car...wrong. He briefly gets out of the car...wrong. He flees the scene...wrong. Scott's actions were wrong.

Part 2: Officer Slager shot Mr. Scott. The WORLD agrees this was wrong.

Two Wrongs Don't Make a Right. Unfortunately someone is dead & a small Carolina town might have another 'Ferguson' on their hands.

I'll be curious to hear Officer Slager's defense. Did he think Mr. Scott was armed? As LE, Scott's actions clearly state he could be dangerous. I'm almost as concerned it took LE eight shots to bring down a fleeing suspect...those bullets could've hit anyone (like the kid filming). If anything, Slager should be off the Force for that reason alone.

I've been reading a lot of national blogs, websites & comment sections about this trying to see both sides....and have been unsuccessful. No one, repeat, NO ONE is siding with the police officer. Continually posting on this forum 'can't imagine how she can defend the officer' makes said posters look....silly! BUT...those that want to expand their minds & intelligently assess current news stories, let's talk...mominohio!!

This is why people don't participate in these discussions. Words get twisted around too easily.

I agree! And for many things, it just isn't worth the effort to fight back after one has said their 'piece'. But in things like this, where the actual fabric of our society is weakening because of the lack of personal responsibility, and is fueled and condoned by people jumping on a bandwagon in support of a 'victim' in the several recent cases like this, I just don't let it go easily. I don't like the victim mentality, I don't like the ever growing lack of personal responsibility. It is ruining us. It is making us weak.

[RainCityGirl]

On 4/11/2015 Lucibee said:

I know I have been afraid to post on various threads for fear of being bashed.

Oh please. It's an anonymous chat board. Fear of being bashed??? They are just words. Consider the source and move on. Incidentally, vehemently disagreeing with someone is NOT bashing.