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[Lila Belle]

It's a real shame that a news chopper wasn't flying over as in the San Bernardino case

[terrier3]

On 4/11/2015 Qwackertoo said:

On 4/11/2015 terrier3 said:

On 4/11/2015 Qwackertoo said:

It is sorta like the ""driving while stupid"" when teens or even adults text and drive and get themselves killed or others also killed in the process. That one little text that probably was insignificant and could have waited may have cost themselves and other innocent people their lives.

Or college girls who drink to excess ""drinking while stupid"" and get themselves killed in the process. Too many turn up missing and their remains are found weeks & months later.

And in this case ""running from the police while stupid"" . . . NO the policeman should NOT have shot him while posing no great threat to himself or the public. But he did. And the man is now dead. And the policeman's life is pretty much over as a free man.

I think that is sorta maybe what mominohio is getting at. Maybe.

Running from the police should NEVER lead to being shot in the back.

Never.

That breaks every rule from every police department in the USA. Which is why he needed to ""plant"" the taser next to the body - to cover up what he did.

The policeman's life isn't over - but his victim's life IS.

No sympathy from me for what he did.

Read the rest of my sentence. As A Free Man.

Even murderers usually get out after a period of time.

[terrier3]

On 4/11/2015 mominohio said:

If this is directed at me, then show me where I stated it was his total fault he is dead. I did not. From the beginning I have said, he shares in the responsibility of the events that took place, and he initiated them. He exacerbated them by running, and not following the directions of the officer.

So sorry that it didn't work out for him, and it happens like that everyday in all kinds of situations not related to law enforcement. Life isn't fair, and even though we didn't do enough wrong to justify it, we get hit with things in a way bigger proportion than is fair for our input into the situation. Makes you think, that maybe we should think before we do, and just plain stand up, when we know we're busted, take responsibility for where we are with the situation, and not make it worse.

Even the man's own father said he thinks he ran because he didn't want to go to jail, he'd been there and didn't want to go back. Let's see, go to jail, or risk, in light of what is going on with these situations, make a move that could lead to death?

Nope, he didn't have long to assess the situation, try to decide how to proceed, or what the long term consequences might be with every available option. Neither did the cop.

He shares nothing.

The officer was 100% responsible for shooting an innocent man. He broke every rule in the police handbook. We don't live in a police state. They have to follow the law too.

The officer had the man's license. Even if he had a child support warrant, the police knew where he lived, they had his car and he could have been picked up later. I don't think the officer even knew about the child support - it happened too quickly.

[scotttie]

On 4/11/2015 Cakers1 said:

On 4/11/2015 scotttie said:

On 4/11/2015 Cakers1 said:

Watching the whole video this officer was polite during the conversation. Why it had to go so terribly wrong is beyond comprehension. It just didn't make sense; he was reasonable and professional then all of a sudden he's shooting at a person running away.

It just didn't make any sense to me why he took that action.

That's what is so puzzling. The guy was running away. There are very few scenarios where shooting someone in the back would make sense.

This guy's problem legally now is that he lied about what happened (his report was disproved by the video). Any exaplanation he comes up with now will have trouble being believed.

And despite what people think- it isn't easy to shoot somebody in the leg when they are running away; too many TV inaccurate shows.

I just don't understand why this officer didn't just go back to his car and radio in the situation.

What a horrible situation.

Yes, I don't know why that still comes up. Police are trained to shoot to kill. Body shots, if I'm not mistaken.

That's what I don't get either. Why he just didn't go and call for backup. It does appear that both of these men's adrenaline kicked in to a tragic ending.

Why couldn't he just let him go??? It was a broken tail light.

[scotttie]

On 4/10/2015 terrier3 said:

On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:

The man is dead. Period. He wouldn't be dead, had he not run. Period. He wouldn't have needed to run, had he lived up to his responsibilities. Period. He is partially responsible for what happened to him. He set the events in motion. Period.

The totally other issue, is we may have a cop who did not follow protocol and used excessive force. We may have a cop who committed murder. No denying that, and I'm not defending him. He will get due process for that.

But, (and I've been away all day and haven't heard the latest) the last thing I knew, is there is at least one gap between dash cam and the video the citizen took. So what happened or how much time that involves we don't know. Could the victim have had the stun gun, and dropped it and the officer picked it up off the ground, after the victim was down? I don't know at this time, and doubt anyone does.

I don't understand why you are so committed to defending an accused murderer.

The man was shot with the taser...the strings from the taser were found on his back. The policeman tased him. Once it has been fired, it can't be fired again without being reloaded. The officer attempted to "plant" the weapon on his victim...seen in plain sight doing so.

There is NO EXCUSE for what the officer did. That is why he is being charged with murder - not manslaughter - but premeditated murder. That is why his lawyer dropped him. That is why the mayor went to see his parents to apologize.

I have a suggestion. Why don't you actually read what mominohio is saying instead of putting words in her mouth.

[Cakers1]

On 4/11/2015 terrier3 said:

On 4/11/2015 mominohio said:

If this is directed at me, then show me where I stated it was his total fault he is dead. I did not. From the beginning I have said, he <em>shares</em> in the responsibility of the events that took place, and he initiated them. He exacerbated them by running, and not following the directions of the officer.

So sorry that it didn't work out for him, and it happens like that everyday in all kinds of situations not related to law enforcement. Life isn't fair, and even though we didn't do enough wrong to justify it, we get hit with things in a way bigger proportion than is fair for our input into the situation. Makes you think, that maybe we should think before we do, and just plain stand up, when we know we're busted, take responsibility for where we are with the situation, and not make it worse.

Even the man's own father said he thinks he ran because he didn't want to go to jail, he'd been there and didn't want to go back. Let's see, go to jail, or risk, in light of what is going on with these situations, make a move that could lead to death?

Nope, he didn't have long to assess the situation, try to decide how to proceed, or what the long term consequences might be with every available option. Neither did the cop.

He shares nothing.

The officer was 100% responsible for shooting an innocent man. He broke every rule in the police handbook. We don't live in a police state. They have to follow the law too.

The officer had the man's license. Even if he had a child support warrant, the police knew where he lived, they had his car and he could have been picked up later. I don't think the officer even knew about the child support - it happened too quickly.

I agree. The officer went back to his car to check on the registration of the vehicle, especially since Scott said he did not have papers yet. Before anything came back on the vehicle or on Scott's warrant, Scott had already taken off. The first time he started to exit the car the officer still hadn't called it in. He just told him to remain in the car.

Then Scott took off and all hail broke loose.

And yes, you shoot at the largest body mass and that is the torso, if you really want to fatally take a person down. Nobody shoots for the leg.

[Mominohio]

On 4/11/2015 Cakers1 said:

Watching the whole video this officer was polite during the conversation. Why it had to go so terribly wrong is beyond comprehension. It just didn't make sense; he was reasonable and professional then all of a sudden he's shooting at a person running away.

It just didn't make any sense to me why he took that action.

This is one of the reasons I think people need to wait to see exactly what ALL transpired. The part of the dash cam video I saw, doesn't match the ending video that the citizen took. And if there is something in between, what was it? Could it have been bad enough for the cop to do what he did? Maybe, maybe not.

This is most likely going to be another case of two wrongs didn't make a right, they made a disaster. But I feel like one of the few who is actually open minded enough to see it that way.

[raven-blackbird]

On 4/11/2015 scotttie said:

On 4/11/2015 Cakers1 said:

On 4/11/2015 scotttie said:

On 4/11/2015 Cakers1 said:

Watching the whole video this officer was polite during the conversation. Why it had to go so terribly wrong is beyond comprehension. It just didn't make sense; he was reasonable and professional then all of a sudden he's shooting at a person running away.

It just didn't make any sense to me why he took that action.

That's what is so puzzling. The guy was running away. There are very few scenarios where shooting someone in the back would make sense.

This guy's problem legally now is that he lied about what happened (his report was disproved by the video). Any exaplanation he comes up with now will have trouble being believed.

And despite what people think- it isn't easy to shoot somebody in the leg when they are running away; too many TV inaccurate shows.

I just don't understand why this officer didn't just go back to his car and radio in the situation.

What a horrible situation.

Yes, I don't know why that still comes up. Police are trained to shoot to kill. Body shots, if I'm not mistaken.

That's what I don't get either. Why he just didn't go and call for backup. It does appear that both of these men's adrenaline kicked in to a tragic ending.

Why couldn't he just let him go??? It was a broken tail light.

a broken tail light...yes........but then, if you're a cop and just pulled a guy over for a broken tail light......he tells you he doesn't have his ins. in the car but hands you his drivers license.......then gets out of the car when you're running his license.....then just takes off........the question you'd ask yourself........why is he running, it's just a broken tail light.

cops pull over people for vehicle infractions all the time, only to find out the person is wanted for something huge.........sometimes it goes down easy........and sometimes it goes down hard.......just depends on the person they are stopping............................raven

[Mominohio]

On 4/11/2015 Qwackertoo said:

On 4/11/2015 mominohio said:

On 4/10/2015 SydneyH said:

On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:

This man put himself in the position he was in. No one else caused him to have an outstanding warrant (and that is assuming that information is accurate). No one but him decided to run, when an officer told him to stay in the car. He contributed to, in fact created the environment he found himself in, and it was one of risk. Each bad decision he made, increased his risk of the situation escalating. It escalated beyond what it should have, but that doesn't negate the fact that he bears some responsibility.

I know you believe what you are saying, but honestly at the end of the day nobody forced this nutbag to gun this poor soul down. I will not shame the victim in this case, I just can't...

I don't shame him either. When scared we all might try to do the same. But, it doesn't change the fact that he helped to create the situation in which he found himself. He wasn't totally without responsibility in how it all played out.

It is sorta like the "driving while stupid" when teens or even adults text and drive and get themselves killed or others also killed in the process. That one little text that probably was insignificant and could have waited may have cost themselves and other innocent people their lives.

Or college girls who drink to excess "drinking while stupid" and get themselves killed in the process. Too many turn up missing and their remains are found weeks & months later.

And in this case "running from the police while stupid" . . . NO the policeman should NOT have shot him while posing no great threat to himself or the public. But he did. And the man is now dead. And the policeman's life is pretty much over as a free man.

I think that is sorta maybe what mominohio is getting at. Maybe.

Quacker, that is really spot on about one of the points I'm trying to make.

Kind of like people put themselves in situations all the time, where they don't deserve the harshness of what they got, but they put themselves out there and it happened anyway.

[scotttie]

On 4/11/2015 mominohio said:

On 4/11/2015 Qwackertoo said:

On 4/11/2015 mominohio said:

On 4/10/2015 SydneyH said:

On 4/10/2015 mominohio said:

This man put himself in the position he was in. No one else caused him to have an outstanding warrant (and that is assuming that information is accurate). No one but him decided to run, when an officer told him to stay in the car. He contributed to, in fact created the environment he found himself in, and it was one of risk. Each bad decision he made, increased his risk of the situation escalating. It escalated beyond what it should have, but that doesn't negate the fact that he bears some responsibility.

I know you believe what you are saying, but honestly at the end of the day nobody forced this nutbag to gun this poor soul down. I will not shame the victim in this case, I just can't...

I don't shame him either. When scared we all might try to do the same. But, it doesn't change the fact that he helped to create the situation in which he found himself. He wasn't totally without responsibility in how it all played out.

It is sorta like the "driving while stupid" when teens or even adults text and drive and get themselves killed or others also killed in the process. That one little text that probably was insignificant and could have waited may have cost themselves and other innocent people their lives.

Or college girls who drink to excess "drinking while stupid" and get themselves killed in the process. Too many turn up missing and their remains are found weeks & months later.

And in this case "running from the police while stupid" . . . NO the policeman should NOT have shot him while posing no great threat to himself or the public. But he did. And the man is now dead. And the policeman's life is pretty much over as a free man.

I think that is sorta maybe what mominohio is getting at. Maybe.

Quacker, that is really spot on about one of the points I'm trying to make.

Kind of like people put themselves in situations all the time, where they don't deserve the harshness of what they got, but they put themselves out there and it happened anyway.

Thank you Quacker, I think you did a good job of providing examples of what mominohio is trying to say if people would just stop and read what she is actually saying instead of putting words in her mouth.

Mominiohio, I get what you are saying.