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[Lucky Charm]

I'm soooo glad that people are aware of inhumane treatment of animals.

You can start at your breakfast meal, thru lunch and then dinner.

Think about how the animals are treated and killed that end up on your plate right in front of you.

If you don't think about what you're eating, I  don't think you're really concerned about the bears!

[Isobel Archer]

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@Lucky Charm wrote:

I'm soooo glad that people are aware of inhumane treatment of animals.

You can start at your breakfast meal, thru lunch and then dinner.

Think about how the animals are treated and killed that end up on your plate right in front of you.

If you don't think about what you're eating, I  don't worry think you're really concerned about the bears!

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Or asI noted earler - where is the concern or the eagles and other birds slaughtered by windmills  etc. etc.

And your point illustrates that it is so very much easier to be "compassionate" and "concerned" about animals  - that while they  may actually be harming others, (whether through their own fault or not) are no threat to you personally - but when it comes to actually inconveniencing yourself - such as giving up eating meat or wearing leather, well suddenly all this animal rights insistence and love for them goes out the window.

[CalminHeart]

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@nevergivesup wrote:

I hate to be the voice of gloom and doom but, in many cases, we have reached a point where there are no reasonable choices left. That is the situation we are reaping from many decades of "willful ignorance."

Powerful people made and continue to make decisions that have or will impact all living creatures, human and animal, plant and sea life. I think they were or are assuming D Day would come long after they were gone. Most reasonable people can see that the earth is changing more rapidly than anyone expected.

Can we acknowledge and learn from past decisions? Of course, we could, but I don't see it happening. Sorry for the pessimism. I'm old but worry for future generations.

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I'm old and feel the same way. I sometimes think it's good that I'm this old so I don't have to live through what's coming. But then I think of my kids and grandkids.....

[CalminHeart]

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

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@CalminHeart wrote:

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@jubilant wrote:

I have mixed feelings about this. People should be able to feel safe at their homes. If a bear killed my dog or hurt one of my family I would want it dead. It's too bad they don't have a relocation plan for these bears that wander too close to humans and their living

quarters.

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Maybe humans shouldn't have invaded their spaces. That only forces animals into other areas. 

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Just curious - do you also think humans should not build windmills that kill wild birds or affect sea life?

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Mother Nature is fickle. The only part of it we control is the damage we cause. 

How about using common sense here. There is a balance to what is right and what is wrong.

People just need to think beyond their own wants and convenience.

It's like building a home on the Mississippi river bank and thinking it'll never flood.

[Isobel Archer]

I definitely agree that balance is necessary.

However, I am responding to the lecturing voice that says - don't kill bears that are threatening humans because it is not their fault.

Of course it is not their fault.  Humans caused the problem I agree - just not necessarily the particular humans (or pets) that are now at risk.

Again, it is so easy to lecture and virtue signal when not personally affected by the threatening bears.

And yes, it is tear jerking to hear about mama bears and cubs being killed.  But again, I ask where is the concern for other animals also being killed?  Or as the Delta Burke character on Designing Women once asked - why are some animals causes for concern when others are clearly not?

Again, if you want to lecture, please be willing to do some self examination.  Just sayin.

[shoekitty]

I haven't eaten meat in 32 years I am not VEGAN tho.  If I could find a vegan cook I would be. lol. But I don't think people convert under pressure or shame. I quit eating meat for animals, and mainly health.  It is a personal decision.   Most people when it comes to meat, are well...

[Isobel Archer]

Agree that shaming is not particularly effective - particularly when it is selective and not causing inconvenience to the person doing the shaming.

For the record, I eat meat and wear leather and am also in favor of killing rats, mice and any other animal that is a threat to life or health (whether or not it is their "fault.")

[CalminHeart]

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

I definitely agree that balance is necessary.

However, I am responding to the lecturing voice that says - don't kill bears that are threatening humans because it is not their fault.

Of course it is not their fault.  Humans caused the problem I agree - just not necessarily the particular humans (or pets) that are now at risk.

Again, it is so easy to lecture and virtue signal when not personally affected by the threatening bears.

And yes, it is tear jerking to hear about mama bears and cubs being killed.  But again, I ask where is the concern for other animals also being killed?  Or as the Delta Burke character on Designing Women once asked - why are some animals causes for concern when others are clearly not?

Again, if you want to lecture, please be willing to do some self examination.  Just sayin.

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Mine wasn't a virtue lecture. It was based on facts.

Animals have to eat and live too. Some animals are inate predators. It's Mother Nature and how God made them. 

Of course, no one wants another person to die from any kind of attack. But how much can be said in a post? One point was being made, not an entire history of whatever.

Self interests are also an issue. Since life began, humans have have been pushing out other people, animals, waterways, farm fields, etc to get what they want. 

IMHO, it sounds like you added your own narrative to the post. 

[Isobel Archer]

Not sure whatmy "narrative" is supposed to be.  I was responding to - it's wrong to kill animals who are not at "fault" and just trying to survive.

And when I asked if that included birds killed by windmills, I was told it was all "balance."  So I guess that means that bears are off limits, but birds are fair game.

Interesting when bears are attacking people and pets and birds are not.  

And when I mentioned that it's easy to be "compassionate" (and to lecture others on the need to also "care") when not personally affected, I was told that humans have always been selfish.

Hmmm - again my "narrative" is what exactly???

[CrazyDaisy]

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@occasionalrain wrote:

I'm against killing wildlife. If you don't feel safe where there are bears, raccoons, possuims... move to the city. It's your problem.  Where I live neighbors post photos when a bear shows up in their yard. They don't panic, don't expect someone to kill the bear. 

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While that may be an honorable position, it is not realistic.  Hunting of most wildlife is not just for human comfort.  Over population puts a strain on the wildlife population.  Not enough food, spread of diseases etc.  And then there is when they become dangerous.   Locally there was a story of a deer having her fawn in a fenced yard attacking the children playing in the yard. In some cases everyone can live together, in others they cannot.