Re: My first Protest

jubilant · ‎06-10-2010

@KittySoftPaws wrote:
@jubilant This is nature we are talking about and there are many things that are dangerous in it, as well as in the World in general. If you or your children felt threatened, what would you do? And it's not the bears wandering into humans areas now, it's the other way around. When there is unlimitied mass over development, where are they supposed to go? The last hunt that happened here was in 2015. There were rules made and they were broken so badly that they halted it 3 days in. Hunters shooting nursing Mothers and their cubs, baiting, hunting without a license.

@KittySoftPaws I do understand what you are saying. The last thing I would want is to see a mother bear with cubs killed. I am an animal lover but would also be very afraid for my kids and pets. I really don't know the answer to this, but if it were me and I had the means to do it....I would move for the sake of my children and pets.

I really do wish there could be a relocation program for these bears but it's sounds like that won't happen. It is a very sad situation.

judy0330 · ‎01-03-2011

Moving to get away from bears is not as easy as it sounds. We love living in CT. There is not one of the 169 cities and towns that has not reported bear sightings. When we lived in NJ it was a non issue. Now friends who live where we did see them all the time. There is so much building everywhere that they are being forced out of their natural habitat. As crazy as it sounds (I certainly would have thought so if I didn't live here) it has become something that most people who live here don't even think about. We're here -- they're here -- and that's just the way it is. Other than a tiny number of incidents given the size of the bear population -- it has become just a fact of life.

Isobel Archer · ‎04-04-2015

Expanding into animal habitat is not only a problem for the animals but also for humans who now have problems with those animals when they are driven into areas long ago developed.

My house was built in 1978. I have lived here in northern VA since 1995. There were no black bears - until a couple of years ago. Now we continually seen RING pics of bears on peoples decks and porches looking for food and hear of pets being maimed or killed.

So what are we supposed to do? Being lectured that it was wrong to push them out of their habitat isn't really helping those of us who didn't create the problem

Kachina624 · ‎03-10-2010

Several years ago, there was an overpopulation of deer in Valley Forge National Park. There's a state highway that runs through the park and driving through the area at dusk or dawn was very hazardous. You'd see herds of 10-20 of them very close to the road. They apparently tried various methods of thinning them with no success.

On one designated day, a group of sharpshooters was invited to the park, and they eradicated dozens of them.

To this day, you see few deer when driving through the area.

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KittySoftPaws · ‎07-21-2020

@Kachina624 Your post reminds me of the wildlife overpasses, like the The Wallis Annenberg Wildlife Crossing in LA, CA. and there are others, that were put up in California some time ago and are designed to provide a safe passage for wildlife over highway 101. Now, that is a great soultion with continued success for all.

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tansy · ‎01-02-2011

One of those wildlife overpasses was built over a busy highway where I used to live. So many people ridiculed it and its cost but night cameras proved it to be well used.

We dealt with bears and coyotes there, too. I would make sure the dog and I were noisy when on the trails.

CrazyDaisy · ‎03-20-2010

What most people do not realize is that wildlife cannot be relocated. Animals are already living in those areas. That would be like moving a stranger into your house, animals don't excel in hospitality.

Someday, when scientists discover the center of the Universe....some people will be disappointed it is not them.

Big Joanie · ‎01-02-2015

@SloopJohnB wrote:
As a native Floridian, I am all too well aware of the congested state of Florida, I'm afraid. I live only a few miles from the east entrance of "Alligator Alley." Unfortunately, our powers that be, starting from the local level on up, don't believe in greenspace it seems. Whenever there is a patch of land, they have to build on it. Whether it be a shopping center, with not enough parking space, or a residential development, they break ground & start construction on it.

And all the critters, cue Ellie Mae Clampett, have nowhere to scatter to. Our interstates are virtual parking lots come rush hour. Takes a long wait to make & get doctor & dental appointments as there are just too many people. I am the first to admit, I don't know what the solution is, but there is No Room at the Inn.

Ok, rant over.

As I stated I am a resident also ... I have often said to my husband in the car

they will fill up any space they can ....and you are so right about the Dr.appt.

and the traffic ... and yes there is no room at the inn.... The only animal

problem I don't get too upset about is the Python problem in the Evergaldes ....

Big Joanie · ‎01-02-2015

@Big Joanie wrote:

@SloopJohnB wrote:
As a native Floridian, I am all too well aware of the congested state of Florida, I'm afraid. I live only a few miles from the east entrance of "Alligator Alley." Unfortunately, our powers that be, starting from the local level on up, don't believe in greenspace it seems. Whenever there is a patch of land, they have to build on it. Whether it be a shopping center, with not enough parking space, or a residential development, they break ground & start construction on it.

And all the critters, cue Ellie Mae Clampett, have nowhere to scatter to. Our interstates are virtual parking lots come rush hour. Takes a long wait to make & get doctor & dental appointments as there are just too many people. I am the first to admit, I don't know what the solution is, but there is No Room at the Inn.

Ok, rant over.
As I stated I am a resident also ... I have often said to my husband in the car
they will fill up any space they can ....and you are so right about the Dr.appt.
and the traffic ... and yes there is no room at the inn.... The only animal
problem I don't get too upset about is the Python problem in the Evergaldes ....

I should have said the hunting of Pythons ....

Snowpuppy · ‎03-09-2010

I wanted to comment on the misconception that female black bears (sows) with cubs or cubs alone can be hunted.

There is no jurisdiction I'm aware of that allows sows with cubs to be taken. Cubs here in MI are defined as those smaller than 42" tip of nose to tail. Cubs are more likely to be hunted by coyotes, wolves or a male bear. Coyotes can take down a cow. Cubs are no match.

DNR here does their best to tag and relocate nuissance bears so yes, bears get relocated all the time. Here in Michigan they are often released to the Upper Peninsula which is mostly remote.