Murder Suspects Turn Themselves In - Page 9

bikerbabe · ‎03-09-2010

As a parent, it’s quite difficult to shield your child from all violence when it is everywhere, including right outside your front door, in school…. You can supervise but you can’t bubble wrap your kids. It’s simplistic and unrealistic to think a parent can filter out all the negative.

Clearly, in the case of the man beaten to death, something went horribly wrong. I don’t know enough to start placing blame.

Lucky Charm · ‎03-09-2010

It's been an almost a month since this murder took place. Early morning hours of June 14th.

I wonder if the parent's suspected their children were involved all this time?

I just read the last day of school was June 14th. I wonder if any of them went to school that day?

I wonder what they did the days leading up to them turning themselves in?

Almost a whole month since the murder took place. I'm sure they knew they killed a man.

ThinkingOutLoud · ‎05-01-2020

@bikerbabe wrote:
As a parent, it’s quite difficult to shield your child from all violence when it is everywhere, including right outside your front door, in school…. You can supervise but you can’t bubble wrap your kids. It’s simplistic and unrealistic to think a parent can filter out all the negative.

Clearly, in the case of the man beaten to death, something went horribly wrong. I don’t know enough to start placing blame.

No one said it's easy but it's still part of the job. Furthermore, it's not 'everywhere'. That's a generalizaion. There's a lot parents can do before just throwing in the towel and choosing a defeatist attitude.

bikerbabe · ‎03-09-2010

I never said defeatist attitude. 🙂 I agree doing your best for your child is a parent’s responsibility.

Yes, it IS everywhere.

Cakers3 · ‎06-17-2015

@bikerbabe wrote:
As a parent, it’s quite difficult to shield your child from all violence when it is everywhere, including right outside your front door, in school…. You can supervise but you can’t bubble wrap your kids. It’s simplistic and unrealistic to think a parent can filter out all the negative.

Clearly, in the case of the man beaten to death, something went horribly wrong. I don’t know enough to start placing blame.

@bikerbabe We start the blame at those involved in the merciless beating of James Lambert, causing his death.

These were not adults so with this tragedy it is demanded that the parents assume some responsibility, too.

I am not sure what else you need to know.

"" Compassion is a verb."-Thich Nhat Hanh

JamandBread · ‎06-24-2021

@liliblu wrote:
@stevieb wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@eadu4 wrote:
This happened at 3 am. A 10 year old and 14 year old out at 3 am. I think that tells you all you need to know about their parents (if there are 2 parents at home) And it tells you all you need to know about their parenting "skills". The fact these 2 were on the street at 3 am and commited cold blooded murder says all you need to know about the 2 of them. Regardless of any "horrors" they may have seen at home, these two are most likely not going to change but rather wind up with more future contributions to a rap sheet. They will not get any significant punishment and will most certainly be out on the street again in no time. Sadly we have almost become numb to violent crime like this and with very little actual punishment that fits the crime anymore. This is disgusting and happening more frequently. It will be interesting to see what the charges are and the outcome of any trial.
These are children. They are not irredeemable. It is this kind of attitude that is hurting our country. They will be punished but they probably fell into group or hive mentality. No thought was involved.

I hope there are consequences for the parents. Children this age have no business outside at 3 am.

Oh for the love of heaven, they. beat. an. old. man. to. death.

Enough with the excuses. I don't care how bad their parenting, (though yes the parent or parents should be prosecuted along with the little gargoyles they've spawned) or other factors that no doubt will be cited. As a society we simply can't keep looking the other way and trying to explain away sadistic, barbaric, criminal behavior, no matter the age of the criminals that perpetrate it.
I am not excusing what these children (not gargoyles) did. But how we punich and deal with children should be different than how we deal with adults. We don't allow 14 year olds to drive, drink alcohol, vote, or sign contracts. Why? Their brains are not fully developed. They do not think through the consequences of their actions. I can bet that they did not think they could kill a person with a traffic cone. They will be punished but they are not irredeemable monsters.

I agree. There is no excuse for what they did, but they are children. Many here have never had children, don't have friends or relatives around with kids or just are not around them to understand fully. 13 and 14 is still a baby to me. I agree the parents are responsible too, though when my daughter was 15, she snuck out of the house one night and I had no idea until her bff told me at her WEDDING.

Also, it seems the man fell and hit his head, not that the kids beat him until dead. It does shed light on why the charges are 3rd degree murder.

It's hard in the summer in the hot city.

JamandBread · ‎06-24-2021

@liliblu wrote:
@moonandthestars wrote:
@liliblu wrote:
@catter70 wrote:
Their defense will probably be that they are too young to know what they were doing. Bull. Hope they are tried as adults. It's like there is a bunch of wild animals roaming the streets anymore, but I think wild animals don't kill" just because".
You want a 10 and 14 year old tried as adults? No. Their brains have not fully developed. I wish more people would educate themselves on this issue instead of just having knee jerk reactions. There is a way to punish the children, yes they are children, involved without writing them off forever?

@liliblu It seems their souls have not fully developed. They acted with nonchalant cruelty - like sociopaths. Are they redeemable? Maybe not. This man was beaten to death by a group of kids just for kicks. They really seemed to have fun. How do you fix that?

I am grateful to know people who work in this space. They have seen kids that many of you would write off as "gargoyles" or "monsters" become productive citizens. They don't beleive in throwing children away. Have their children they have not been able to help? Yes. But most can be. It takes time and care but they can be helped. They have seen many good kids make the wrong choice. But that does not mean they cannot be rehabilitated or redeemed.

I worked with children for several years. What some of our young people have to endure would break your heart. We claim to value life in this country. We need to ask what that really means.

We only value "life" until it breathes through it's nostrils. Then we have folks all set to write kids off and spend tax dollars elsewhere, where, you know, kids whohave vanilla lives can benefit. If you're a kid with problems, tough luck.

Lucky Charm · ‎03-09-2010

@JamandBread wrote:

We only value "life" until it breathes through it's nostrils. Then we have folks all set to write kids off and spend tax dollars elsewhere, where, you know, kids whohave vanilla lives can benefit. If you're a kid with problems, tough luck.

I'll repeat to you what I've seen you to 'offer' others.

"I'll pray for you."

@JamandBread

Mersha · ‎03-10-2010

@JamandBread I agree that some are out of touch when it comes to children as they are not around them on a current, regular basis.

To those that want parents to shield their children from the ongoing violence, that is diffcult to do when all of the children attending school must practice active shooter drills on a regular basis.

There are a multitude of issues all over the world of children getting into trouble but it seems this country outpaces all others on the frequency of those crimes.

"My desire to be well informed is currently at odds with my desire to remain sane."

JamandBread · ‎06-24-2021

@Lucky Charm wrote:
@JamandBread wrote:

We only value "life" until it breathes through it's nostrils. Then we have folks all set to write kids off and spend tax dollars elsewhere, where, you know, kids whohave vanilla lives can benefit. If you're a kid with problems, tough luck.
I'll repeat to you what I've seen you to 'offer' others.

"I'll pray for you."

@JamandBread