Muhammad Ali is Dead - Page 9

RoughDraft · ‎03-09-2010

I don't recall seeing anyone denigrating others' opinions about the man. Nor do I dismiss those who served, or ultimately paid the highest price. I'm eternally grateful.

I admire a person who stands by his beliefs and convictions, be they those who served or those who took a stand just as Muhammad Ali did. They were all true to themselves at no small price.

~The only difference between this place and the Titanic is that the Titanic had a band.~

Pearlee · ‎06-11-2011

1965 Ali (in his prime) as the Mystery Guest on What's My Line. You can move your cursor to fast forward to the mystery guest part. I remember thisparticular episode when it first aired - time goes by so quickly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucthiM7QbqY

Lila Belle · ‎01-24-2013

@Mominohio wrote:
@Lila Belle wrote:
Why is it so hard for some to honor a black man ?

Really. Why???
I see you are the first to bring race into it. Why??

No one else was.

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Why?

Because there is a definite pattern among some posters. And it's almost always the same ones. That is why.

Stray · ‎04-20-2013

@Mominohio wrote:
@151949 wrote:
@Brinklii wrote:
He was from Louisville, KY originally. I went to college there. They had renamed one of the downtown streets Muhammad Ali Blvd. He was too young to die.

So many diseases that need cures. We are so early in the age of genetics. Hopefully, eventually they will come up with cures for these infirmities. Don't know what they can do for heads that continually take bashing though like in boxing and football. I guess they are working on that. I hope he left his brain to science.

RIP, Muhammad.
Repeated head blows do not cause parkinsons disease .

I'm a firm believer that they will someday prove that extensive trauma to the body if not actually causing some of these conditions, brings it on sooner/worse and exacerbates the conditions.

@Mominohio- Mayo clinic studies suggest that but his actual diagnosis from Columbia in NYC is "pugilistic PD".

Yankee2000 · ‎03-25-2015

@Trinity11 wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
@Trinity11 wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:
@151949

I am surprised you were not aware of Ali's many humanitarian accomplishments over past decades, most were chronicled in the newspapers.

And for those who don't know, the AMERICAN SUPREME COURT said it had been his right as a conscientious objector NOT to fight.

Again, just because a government entity says someone has a right to do or not do something, doesn't change the view of some others that it is not right moral or fair.

Don't expect others who serve or those who loose loved ones in service to admire someone who won't, but is willing to live in and reap from the great nation that provides well for them.
My husband served as a Marine fighting for our country and he is grieving the death of Muhammad Ali. He considers him a hero as do I.

He was conscientious objector for religious reasons. I respect that and I do not think at the time of his death that it is respectful to denigrate his memory.

I didn't start the thread, and I didn't say that his memory should be denigrated. I think those here that respected him aren't really respecting the fact that others did not, for reasons that are important to them.

I haven't said either way, how I feel about him, but simply came to the defense of those that are being dismissed. Someone's passing doesn't change the facts or events of their life, or people's feelings about those things, regardless of the side someone is on.
There is a time and a place for everything.....sides as you put it are irrevelant when people come together to mourn someone. Respecting someone's memory does not include enumerating their faults.

@Trinity11, I agree, the man has passed away, this is not the time or place to drag him through the mud. Most of the posters saying negative things really have no idea the life he led and the great things he accomplished. He was definitely more than a boxer.

febe1 · ‎01-22-2012

I see him as a great boxing champion who should be valued for the talent of a skill by some and not by others. I don't see such greatness attributed to him for other than that.

The fact that he refused to serve his country on pacifism, while beating others to a pulp makes no sense. I do not remember reading anywhere throughout his life that Ali spoke up about the terrorism by Radical Muslims throughout the world and the thousands of lives murdered, especially 9/11, under that group. He had the platform to voice his disapproval.

I'm sorry the family lost their loved one, but I don't understand the greatness bestowed aside from his ability to fight and be a champion fighter.

Yankee2000 · ‎03-25-2015

@febe1 wrote:
I see him as a great boxing champion who should be valued for the talent of a skill by some and not by others. I don't see such greatness attributed to him for other than that.

The fact that he refused to serve his country on pacifism, while beating others to a pulp makes no sense. I do not remember reading anywhere throughout his life that Ali spoke up about the terrorism by Radical Muslims throughout the world and the thousands of lives murdered, especially 9/22, under that group. He had the platform to voice his disapproval.

I'm sorry the family lost their loved one, but I don't understand the greatness bestowed aside from his ability to fight and be a champion fighter.

@Noel7 posted a synopsis of his life a few posts down....

sidsmom · ‎11-25-2011

He was definitely more than a boxer.

Upthread (#6) I stated he leaves behind

an amazing legacy of sports and activism.

I might not agree w/ portions of his activism,

but that doesn't diminish the importance of it.

He was a member of Nation of Islam (1962-75):

Malcom X (mentor)

Louis Farrakhan (current)

...just to name of few.

I have a feeling the tone of this thread & Internet musings wouldn't be as eulogizing for those gentlemen...if equal for equal.

Muhammad Ali had many, many doors open for him because he was a sports icon. If Malcom X and/or Louis Farrakhan knocked on those same doors, the response wouldn't be the same.

But time causes many to forget the positive/negative activism.

Muhammad Ali will always be remembered as an amazing sports figure.

Stray · ‎04-20-2013

@Trinity11 wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:
@151949

I am surprised you were not aware of Ali's many humanitarian accomplishments over past decades, most were chronicled in the newspapers.

And for those who don't know, the AMERICAN SUPREME COURT said it had been his right as a conscientious objector NOT to fight.

Again, just because a government entity says someone has a right to do or not do something, doesn't change the view of some others that it is not right moral or fair.

Don't expect others who serve or those who loose loved ones in service to admire someone who won't, but is willing to live in and reap from the great nation that provides well for them.
My husband served as a Marine fighting for our country and he is grieving the death of Muhammad Ali. He considers him a hero as do I.

He was conscientious objector for religious reasons. I respect that and I do not think at the time of his death that it is respectful to denigrate his memory.

@Trinity11- he stood up for what he believed. As a Muslim and a man of peace he could not kill. He took the consequences and did not defect to Canada, run off to college or use his influence. He was stripped of his title and couldn't box for 4 years until the decision by SCOTUS. My family has a strong military background and continue to serve. My dad was a golden glove champ and Vet; Ali was never considered a "draft dodger" by him or many others in his time. As a Black man at that time, he would have been placed in the infantry and in battle. He did not have any profession other than boxing, of course, he would have been forced to fight and kill and he could not. He was an early covert to Islam in its true form. IMHO, Ali did serve his Country and helped many other impoverished societies as Ambassador of Peace and the quiet good deeds he did to help others all his life. Ali fought clean and was skillful in the ring, a remarkable fighter and entertainer. He had an on stage personna but was very different in life. He was imprisoned for 32 years in a body that once moved like a butterfly but had little control over simple movements and for the once outspoken, articulate Ali, he could not communicate verbally on a regular basis. He suffered enough and tho I have admired him for many years, I am glad he is at peace and will be judged by an entity greater than mere mortals.

Lila Belle · ‎01-24-2013

@febe1 wrote:
I see him as a great boxing champion who should be valued for the talent of a skill by some and not by others. I don't see such greatness attributed to him for other than that.

The fact that he refused to serve his country on pacifism, while beating others to a pulp makes no sense. I do not remember reading anywhere throughout his life that Ali spoke up about the terrorism by Radical Muslims throughout the world and the thousands of lives murdered, especially 9/11, under that group. He had the platform to voice his disapproval.

I'm sorry the family lost their loved one, but I don't understand the greatness bestowed aside from his ability to fight and be a champion fighter.