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[stevieb]

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@Sooner wrote:

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@stevieb wrote:

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@Kachina624 wrote:

Great! So now we'll have to get 3 covid vaccinations?  This is becoming a full-time job.  Easier to become an anti-social hermit.

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@Kachina624  True and exasperating. Yet another reason. perhaps, to wait a bit until the dust settles and see if 'science' can come up with a one stop shot... I want whatever I can get but would prefer not to become a pin cushion... I'd also like to be able to go locally to get whatever shot or shots I'll have to get rather than schedule through the health department and most likely have to jump through a number of hoops.

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@stevieb Exactly what we are thinking.  We are very leery of waiting in line with a lot of people for hours, and also how effective and safe this shot is.  We are waiting for things to shake out some as well.  

Even if I raced out and got the shot I wouldn't feel a lot safer at this point.

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@Sooner  The way it's working here, well, if this is considered working, is you sign up when eligible, which at this point I am, and they later contact you with appointment information. Apparently, there are some options as to where you can go to get the shot. The sign up process is a rather lengthy on-line 'application', which strikes me as stupid if they want everyone vaccinated. I'm tempted to go ahead and sign up, knowing it will probably be a while before my 'number is up' and meanwhile continue to debate whether to get it or wait still longer hoping one of the vaccines under development is more all inclusive. This fiasco is never ending.

[Lipstickdiva]

Oh and let's not forget the people getting vaccinated ahead of those who should be.   Apparently there is no protocol for what is supposed to happen with a vaccine someone ends up not taking.  Some of have tossed into the trash and in other situations, the people administering the vaccine call someone they know and tell them to come on down and get vaccinated.  

[magicmoodz]

I believe the rollout of vaccines for Covid-19 is quite possiby the biggest **** show in the healthcare history of this nation. I could go on about the total lack of organization in my state (MN), but...

The bottom line is we have had almost an entire year to develop a universal plan with implicit implementation procedures for getting the vaccine in arms, but I am thoroughly convinced some decision-makers would rather just whine about it.

[stevieb]

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@magicmoodz wrote:

I believe the rollout of vaccines for Covid-19 is quite possiby the biggest **** show in the healthcare history of this nation. I could go on about the total lack of organization in my state (MN), but...

The bottom line is we have had almost an entire year to develop a universal plan with implicit implementation procedures for getting the vaccine in arms, but I am thoroughly convinced some decision-makers would rather just whine about it.

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@magicmoodz  I share many of your thoughts, most specifically that there's been more than adequate time, (as we've waited for 'science' to apparently half-azz it), to come up with competent distribution schemes and yet here we are, one big mess, with seemingly every locality doing it their own way and nobody happy about it. Even assuming the shots, once enough people are able to get them, are going to help significantly in resolving this nightmare, it appears it could take years to get the already out of date vaccines to the population at large.

[stevieb]

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@Lipstickdiva wrote:

Oh and let's not forget the people getting vaccinated ahead of those who should be.   Apparently there is no protocol for what is supposed to happen with a vaccine someone ends up not taking.  Some of have tossed into the trash and in other situations, the people administering the vaccine call someone they know and tell them to come on down and get vaccinated.  

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I'm hearing the same @Lipstickdiva... I was told, don't know it for a fact, that in one nearby jurisdiction, some 'priority' groups were able to go to local pharmacies for the shot and if they didn't show, those giving the shot were just randomly using up the doses on other customers, which would seem to make it a challenge for those folks to go back for the second dose... Nothing about this appears to have been well thought out or implemented... Maybe this is one reason why some localities, thus far, as insisting on a single stream for distribution... The problem with that is it seems to be taking far too long doing it this way...

[willdob3]

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@magicmoodz wrote:

I believe the rollout of vaccines for Covid-19 is quite possiby the biggest **** show in the healthcare history of this nation. I could go on about the total lack of organization in my state (MN), but...

The bottom line is we have had almost an entire year to develop a universal plan with implicit implementation procedures for getting the vaccine in arms, but I am thoroughly convinced some decision-makers would rather just whine about it.

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@magicmoodz 

There was no plan last year. Just smoke and mirrors. They are attempting to correct the problem but the lack of a plan caused the mess we see everywhere and that also has to be dealt with. It will be something of a miracle if they can get things moving smoothly any time soon. 

[CelticCrafter]

They never should have changed the way they started out with groups being put into different phases. 

[shoesnbags]

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@Jersey Born wrote:

So, Moderna says they are "testing" a booster for the African variant strain.  On whom are they testing it?  On the 15,000 test subjects who already received two doses of the original "formula"?  It is not necessarily a safe practice to keep increasing the number of doses of a product without knowing just how much mRNA a single human being can tolerate.  ETA: "In a study conducted with the National Institutes of Health, Moderna used blood samples from eight vaccine recipients and some immunized monkeys in laboratory tests against the mutated viruses."  That study is in no way good enough.

The mRNA with its nanoparticle lipid coating can enter into previously healthy cells anywhere in the body, and then the immune system will attack the altered cell that is expressing the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein on its surface.  If you keep on injecting additional doses of synthetic mRNA into people, their risk of autoimmune conditions and cancer will continually increase.  That's reckless.  And unscientific, too, as only two doses were tested to look for side effects and a lessening of COVID symptoms, and only for two months time, prior to the rollout of this novel product to adults in our population.  How many of our healthy cells are we expected to allow to be killed in order to merely reduce one or more COVID-19 symptoms, not stop infection nor transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 virus? 

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@Jersey Born 

Fortunately, no one is going to make you take the vaccine against your will.

Most things in life come with both risks and benefits. We each have to balance out the two for our own personal situation.  For me, the risk of dying of COVID is greater than the risk of adverse effects from the shot, given my age.  I got the call today that I can get my shot tomorrow - and I felt as if I had won the lottery.

[Jersey Born]

Please know, @shoesnbags, that I wish you and every other person taking these injections the very best-- zero side effects from the injections, and no symptoms of the illness, should you become infected with the virus.    

[Lipstickdiva]

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@stevieb wrote:

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@Lipstickdiva wrote:

Oh and let's not forget the people getting vaccinated ahead of those who should be.   Apparently there is no protocol for what is supposed to happen with a vaccine someone ends up not taking.  Some of have tossed into the trash and in other situations, the people administering the vaccine call someone they know and tell them to come on down and get vaccinated.  

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I'm hearing the same @Lipstickdiva... I was told, don't know it for a fact, that in one nearby jurisdiction, some 'priority' groups were able to go to local pharmacies for the shot and if they didn't show, those giving the shot were just randomly using up the doses on other customers, which would seem to make it a challenge for those folks to go back for the second dose... Nothing about this appears to have been well thought out or implemented... Maybe this is one reason why some localities, thus far, as insisting on a single stream for distribution... The problem with that is it seems to be taking far too long doing it this way...

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@stevieb , I personally know someone who received a vaccine because there were "extras" that weren't used that day so he was contacted by the pharmacy, who is a personal friend, and told to come in and get his vaccine.

The doctor who regularly appears on GMA said one of his colleagues chose not to get the vaccine they had reserved for him so it was tossed in the trash.