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‎12-24-2015 12:34 AM - edited ‎12-24-2015 12:40 AM
@Irshgrl31201 wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:Teeth, mouth mobility, sweat, intestinal length....lots of proof we're not meant to eat animal. But that a huge thread for 'nuther day.
Simply not true. If I go to websites you may visit like PETA and such sure they will try and convince you but the scientific community agrees that were were meant to eat meat. Yes, our teeth but many more things including our digestive enzymes to digest meat whose consumption aided encephalization and better physical growth etc... The evolution of us as humans depended on it from cooperative hunting promoting the development of language and socialization. There is no question we would not have made the physical changes that allowed us to do what we have done as humans without meat. That is just a fact.
This thread obvously isn't about that though and you and I will never change each others minds.
No, it's really not @Irshgrl31201, no matter what stops are pulled out in the glaringly feeble attempt... to make it about something other than the criminal, recreational destruction of animals, theoretically by a human being with the supposed mental structures to both know better and to care, but who clealry had neither... until he got caught...
‎12-24-2015 12:46 AM
@occasionalrain wrote:
@proudlyfromNJ wrote:
@occasionalrain wrote:He has served his time and is trying to make amends for what he did. What more can be asked of anyone?
If he hadn't been caught, he would still be involved in dog fighting.
How can you possibly know what Vick or anyone else would have done?
Thank you. Those predictions are useless imo.
‎12-24-2015 03:52 AM
Sure he served his time and he appears to be trying to do good ...BUT... if he hadn't been caught he probably would still be killing dogs!!!
‎12-24-2015 06:13 AM
Many seem to be unaware of the scope of dogfighting in America and assume that Michael Vick was "the" dogfighter. Dogfighting was huge before Vick was ever born and is every bit as big now as it was after he was sent to prison. Michael Vick was maybe one millionth of the dogfighting problem in this country.
Dogfighting goes on in every community in America. There is no exception. Look at your local shelters and ask them how many pit bulls they get in. Pit bulls have become the dominant shelter dog. Why? Is it because they're the ideal pet? No. It's because to many poor people, and some not so poor people, pit bulls are a cheaper version of a thoroughbred race horse. Get the "right" dog and you can become rich from that dog. For every one that ends up in a shelter, probably ten end up killed and in dumpsters, or chopped up to feed their other pit bulls.
Buyers will study the fight history and bloodlines of the dam and sire of a batch of puppies and then try to pick a winner out of the litter. They'll then train the pup from a very young age to kill, typically using captured wild animals. (A problem that's become so endemic that a local hardware store now refuses to carry the Have-A-Hart traps after learning how many they'd sold were being used to capture wild animals to train fighting dogs.) If you get the "right" dog and he wins all his fights, you can retire him, stud him out and sell his puppies for a thousand or more each. If he's really superior then the price per pup goes way higher..It's not uncommon for a hundred or more puppies to come from each stud each year. A hundred puppies at a thousand dollars a pup is a hundred thousand, tax free, largely untraceable dollars since it's a cash business. And that dog can stay at stud, churning out pups for years. Getting the "right" dog is like winning the lottery.
That's why dogfighting is a big problem in this country. It's a big money business that anyone can get into for a relatively small investment. Even if you can't afford a dog with good bloodlines, you can buy a lesser dog cheap and convince yourself that you can train it to be better than the rest because others have. You'll find pit bull factories on nearly every block of some poor neighborhoods. These dogs aren't being bred to be companion animals. They're being bred for fighting. They're being sold for fighting and there's no lack of buyers. This is the real world and this is what's going on right now all across the country and around the world.
Michael Vick was a speck of dust compared to the scope of the real problem and unlike pretty much everyone else involved, Vick is now committed to doing whatever he can to end dofighting. He's spent thousands of hours of his time talking to kids to get the message out not to follow the path he took. He's spent a ton of his own money to get that message out. He can't undo what he's done, no one can, but he's doing everything possible to atone for what he's done. Hating Michael Vick and focusing on his past does nothing to end the real problem of dogfighting in this country. He was just one very small part of a vastly bigger problem.
‎12-24-2015 09:31 AM
@maximillian wrote:Two NFL teams have cut him loose: the Philadelphia Eagles and the Pittsburgh Steelers. So what will he do for money now?
I heard Mickey D's is hiring......
‎12-24-2015 10:01 AM
@sidsmom wrote:It's lovely to see so many compassionate posters come out against his actions.
In turn,
It's lovely to see so many vegetarians on these boards!
And it's TRULY amazing how anyone could forgive this despciable human being.
‎12-24-2015 11:25 AM
@Irshgrl31201 wrote:I am normally of the belief that if people serve their time, that they have paid for their crime.
However I do have exceptions to this and while he has served his time and is free to do as he wishes, as a human being I find him repulsive. My exceptions are for people who hurt others that can't defend themfselves. Children, seniors, disabled and animals are on that list.
This is a man who grabbed a dog by his front legs and back legs, raised him over his head and repeatedly slammed that animal on the ground until he was dead. I find nothing but utter disgust for a person who could do such a thing to an animal at his mercy. I likely will never change my opinion of him. I DO NOT CARE HOW HE WAS RAISED. You do not need to be raised in special circumstances or love for animals to know that is wrong and horrible.
There are many circumstances where people have murdered and have served their time and I am fine with that. When a person does what he did to a defenseless animal, not just once but over and over again, to me he is a person who should be shunned by society. That is how I feel and I am not the least bit ashamed of it.
My father always told me you could tell everything you needed to know about a person by the way they treated animals, defenseless children and handicapped/senior and defenseless adults. He was absolutely right.
Do you have a source for the action you described in your third paragraph? Because I don't remember that specific charge.
‎12-24-2015 11:57 AM
@esmerelda wrote:
@Irshgrl31201 wrote:I am normally of the belief that if people serve their time, that they have paid for their crime.
However I do have exceptions to this and while he has served his time and is free to do as he wishes, as a human being I find him repulsive. My exceptions are for people who hurt others that can't defend themfselves. Children, seniors, disabled and animals are on that list.
This is a man who grabbed a dog by his front legs and back legs, raised him over his head and repeatedly slammed that animal on the ground until he was dead. I find nothing but utter disgust for a person who could do such a thing to an animal at his mercy. I likely will never change my opinion of him. I DO NOT CARE HOW HE WAS RAISED. You do not need to be raised in special circumstances or love for animals to know that is wrong and horrible.
There are many circumstances where people have murdered and have served their time and I am fine with that. When a person does what he did to a defenseless animal, not just once but over and over again, to me he is a person who should be shunned by society. That is how I feel and I am not the least bit ashamed of it.
My father always told me you could tell everything you needed to know about a person by the way they treated animals, defenseless children and handicapped/senior and defenseless adults. He was absolutely right.
Do you have a source for the action you described in your third paragraph? Because I don't remember that specific charge.
It wasn't just one source but many.
"As that dog lay on the ground, fighting for air, Quanis Phillips grabbed its front legs and Michael Vick grabbed its back legs. They swung the dog over their head like a jump rope then slammed it to the ground. The first impact didn't kill it. So, Phillips and Vick slammed it again. The two men kept at it, alternating back and forth, pounding the creature against the ground until, at last, the little red dog was dead."
It was taken from criminal reports and written in a book by Jim Goran "The Lost Dogs: Michael Vick's Dogs and Their Tale of Rescue and Redemption."
‎12-24-2015 11:59 AM
He did kill the dog that way, along with other horrific ways. He pled guilty on Federal charges of running an interstate dog fighting op. The state could have charged him with 65 yrs.
‎12-24-2015 01:40 PM - edited ‎12-24-2015 02:00 PM
@Irshgrl31201 wrote:
@esmerelda wrote:
@Irshgrl31201 wrote:I am normally of the belief that if people serve their time, that they have paid for their crime.
However I do have exceptions to this and while he has served his time and is free to do as he wishes, as a human being I find him repulsive. My exceptions are for people who hurt others that can't defend themfselves. Children, seniors, disabled and animals are on that list.
This is a man who grabbed a dog by his front legs and back legs, raised him over his head and repeatedly slammed that animal on the ground until he was dead. I find nothing but utter disgust for a person who could do such a thing to an animal at his mercy. I likely will never change my opinion of him. I DO NOT CARE HOW HE WAS RAISED. You do not need to be raised in special circumstances or love for animals to know that is wrong and horrible.
There are many circumstances where people have murdered and have served their time and I am fine with that. When a person does what he did to a defenseless animal, not just once but over and over again, to me he is a person who should be shunned by society. That is how I feel and I am not the least bit ashamed of it.
My father always told me you could tell everything you needed to know about a person by the way they treated animals, defenseless children and handicapped/senior and defenseless adults. He was absolutely right.
Do you have a source for the action you described in your third paragraph? Because I don't remember that specific charge.
It wasn't just one source but many.
"As that dog lay on the ground, fighting for air, Quanis Phillips grabbed its front legs and Michael Vick grabbed its back legs. They swung the dog over their head like a jump rope then slammed it to the ground. The first impact didn't kill it. So, Phillips and Vick slammed it again. The two men kept at it, alternating back and forth, pounding the creature against the ground until, at last, the little red dog was dead."
It was taken from criminal reports and written in a book by Jim Goran "The Lost Dogs: Michael Vick's Dogs and Their Tale of Rescue and Redemption."
So tell me, who were the animals in this vignette...?
Oh but really, he did his time and now he's a model citizen... And really, if you eat meat you're just as bad...
Whatever...
It's a funny thing about compassion. Sometimes you reap what you sow.
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