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[Perkup]

I agree that Vick has served his time in prison for what he did, but there is no way on this earth that I will forget why he went to prison.

I honestly believe that someone who has served their time should be forgiven, but I also feel that we should never forget what he did, nor should we elevate him again to any position in which he might be considered a person of decent repute.  Forgive - maybe.  Forget - NEVER!!

[liliblu]

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@stevieb wrote:

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@liliblu wrote:

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@stevieb wrote:

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@liliblu wrote:

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@hckynutjohn wrote:

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@ncascade wrote:

Is that Michael Vick in that commercial? The Shiners Childrens Hospital?

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I hope not! Have not seen it. Do know where I would like to see him!

hckynut(john)

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Michael Vick served his time and learned from his mistakes.  He is older and wiser.  At the time of his conviction chicken fights were still legal in some states.  Not everyone grows up with an appreciation for the life of animals.  Michael Vick knows what he did was wrong and shown growth.  The lack of forgiveness expressed on this message board is sad to read. 

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It was dog fights, not chicken fights... And sometimes, outside of sainthood, forgiveness for something so intrinsically ignorant, cruel, depraved and mean spirited is hard to come by...

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I know it was dog fights.  But chicken fights were still legal in parts of America.  Do you place more value on and have more empathy for the suffering of one animal over another?  Do you protest the cruelty that cows and pigs endure before and when they slaughtered to become our dinner? 

I love dogs and had one for nearly 14 years.  But I will not hold Vick's actions against him for the rest of his life.  Vick has worked to make amends for his actions.   He has a right to make a living for his family in his chosen profession. 

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So you knew it was dog fighting but just chose to throw the chicken thing out as what, a diversion...  

Barbaric is barbaric and last time I looked he wasn't slaughtering dogs for dinner...

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No diversion.  It was part of a larger point.  Did you just gloss over the rest of my post?

[liliblu]

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@Perkup wrote:

I agree that Vick has served his time in prison for what he did, but there is no way on this earth that I will forget why he went to prison.

I honestly believe that someone who has served their time should be forgiven, but I also feel that we should never forget what he did, nor should we elevate him again to any position in which he might be considered a person of decent repute.  Forgive - maybe.  Forget - NEVER!!

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I don't understand this attitude.  Should people who have been in prison walk around with a scarlette letter?  How can people who have been imprisoned grow and build better lives if people like you never let move on from their pasts? 

Michael Vick from all accounts is a decent family man.  He works well with his coaches and team mates.  He has not been charged or convicted of a crime since his release.  When does the punishment and the hatred end.  I have compassion for animals but I have just as much for people. 

[stevieb]

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@liliblu wrote:

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@stevieb wrote:

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@liliblu wrote:

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@stevieb wrote:

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@liliblu wrote:

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@hckynutjohn wrote:

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@ncascade wrote:

Is that Michael Vick in that commercial? The Shiners Childrens Hospital?

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I hope not! Have not seen it. Do know where I would like to see him!

hckynut(john)

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Michael Vick served his time and learned from his mistakes.  He is older and wiser.  At the time of his conviction chicken fights were still legal in some states.  Not everyone grows up with an appreciation for the life of animals.  Michael Vick knows what he did was wrong and shown growth.  The lack of forgiveness expressed on this message board is sad to read. 

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It was dog fights, not chicken fights... And sometimes, outside of sainthood, forgiveness for something so intrinsically ignorant, cruel, depraved and mean spirited is hard to come by...

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I know it was dog fights.  But chicken fights were still legal in parts of America.  Do you place more value on and have more empathy for the suffering of one animal over another?  Do you protest the cruelty that cows and pigs endure before and when they slaughtered to become our dinner? 

I love dogs and had one for nearly 14 years.  But I will not hold Vick's actions against him for the rest of his life.  Vick has worked to make amends for his actions.   He has a right to make a living for his family in his chosen profession. 

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So you knew it was dog fighting but just chose to throw the chicken thing out as what, a diversion...  

Barbaric is barbaric and last time I looked he wasn't slaughtering dogs for dinner...

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No diversion.  It was part of a larger point.  Did you just gloss over the rest of my post?

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Not at all. I just didn't think it warranted a lengthy response. The only glossing over I'm seeing here are those who would equate an illegal dog fighting ring (and hence, attempt to whitewash its leader...) with the raising of food to eat. To be sure, there are abuses in the latter industry but that really doesn't equate to or obfuscate the former.

[liliblu]

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@stevieb wrote:

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@liliblu wrote:

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@stevieb wrote:

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@liliblu wrote:

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@stevieb wrote:

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@liliblu wrote:

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@hckynutjohn wrote:

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@ncascade wrote:

Is that Michael Vick in that commercial? The Shiners Childrens Hospital?

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I hope not! Have not seen it. Do know where I would like to see him!

hckynut(john)

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Michael Vick served his time and learned from his mistakes.  He is older and wiser.  At the time of his conviction chicken fights were still legal in some states.  Not everyone grows up with an appreciation for the life of animals.  Michael Vick knows what he did was wrong and shown growth.  The lack of forgiveness expressed on this message board is sad to read. 

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It was dog fights, not chicken fights... And sometimes, outside of sainthood, forgiveness for something so intrinsically ignorant, cruel, depraved and mean spirited is hard to come by...

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I know it was dog fights.  But chicken fights were still legal in parts of America.  Do you place more value on and have more empathy for the suffering of one animal over another?  Do you protest the cruelty that cows and pigs endure before and when they slaughtered to become our dinner? 

I love dogs and had one for nearly 14 years.  But I will not hold Vick's actions against him for the rest of his life.  Vick has worked to make amends for his actions.   He has a right to make a living for his family in his chosen profession. 

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So you knew it was dog fighting but just chose to throw the chicken thing out as what, a diversion...  

Barbaric is barbaric and last time I looked he wasn't slaughtering dogs for dinner...

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No diversion.  It was part of a larger point.  Did you just gloss over the rest of my post?

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Not at all. I just didn't think it warranted a lengthy response. The only glossing over I'm seeing here are those who would equate an illegal dog fighting ring (and hence, attempt to whitewash its leader...) with the raising of food to eat. To be sure, there are abuses in the latter industry but that really doesn't equate to or obfuscate the former.

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So you're basically saying if it's not an animal you're fond of (kittens and puppies for example) you can ignore their abuse.  You can ignore hunting for sport because.......

Animal abuse is animal abuse.  It's just easy to single Vick out.  He's not a monster to be forever villified, he's a human being that made mistakes.  My grandmother had a saying I think applies when you know better you do better.  Vick now knows better and is now living a better life.

[sidsmom]

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@liliblu wrote:

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@Perkup wrote:

I agree that Vick has served his time in prison for what he did, but there is no way on this earth that I will forget why he went to prison.

I honestly believe that someone who has served their time should be forgiven, but I also feel that we should never forget what he did, nor should we elevate him again to any position in which he might be considered a person of decent repute.  Forgive - maybe.  Forget - NEVER!!

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I don't understand this attitude.  Should people who have been in prison walk around with a scarlette letter?  How can people who have been imprisoned grow and build better lives if people like you never let move on from their pasts? 

Michael Vick from all accounts is a decent family man.  He works well with his coaches and team mates.  He has not been charged or convicted of a crime since his release.  When does the punishment and the hatred end.  I have compassion for animals but I have just as much for people. 

Forgiving = reinstating his job w/ the NFL

@Forgetting = not giving him a job @ PetSmart 

[stevieb]

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@liliblu wrote:

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@stevieb wrote:

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@liliblu wrote:

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@stevieb wrote:

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@liliblu wrote:

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@stevieb wrote:

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@liliblu wrote:

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@hckynutjohn wrote:

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@ncascade wrote:

Is that Michael Vick in that commercial? The Shiners Childrens Hospital?

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I hope not! Have not seen it. Do know where I would like to see him!

hckynut(john)

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Michael Vick served his time and learned from his mistakes.  He is older and wiser.  At the time of his conviction chicken fights were still legal in some states.  Not everyone grows up with an appreciation for the life of animals.  Michael Vick knows what he did was wrong and shown growth.  The lack of forgiveness expressed on this message board is sad to read. 

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It was dog fights, not chicken fights... And sometimes, outside of sainthood, forgiveness for something so intrinsically ignorant, cruel, depraved and mean spirited is hard to come by...

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I know it was dog fights.  But chicken fights were still legal in parts of America.  Do you place more value on and have more empathy for the suffering of one animal over another?  Do you protest the cruelty that cows and pigs endure before and when they slaughtered to become our dinner? 

I love dogs and had one for nearly 14 years.  But I will not hold Vick's actions against him for the rest of his life.  Vick has worked to make amends for his actions.   He has a right to make a living for his family in his chosen profession. 

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So you knew it was dog fighting but just chose to throw the chicken thing out as what, a diversion...  

Barbaric is barbaric and last time I looked he wasn't slaughtering dogs for dinner...

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No diversion.  It was part of a larger point.  Did you just gloss over the rest of my post?

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Not at all. I just didn't think it warranted a lengthy response. The only glossing over I'm seeing here are those who would equate an illegal dog fighting ring (and hence, attempt to whitewash its leader...) with the raising of food to eat. To be sure, there are abuses in the latter industry but that really doesn't equate to or obfuscate the former.

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So you're basically saying if it's not an animal you're fond of (kittens and puppies for example) you can ignore their abuse.  You can ignore hunting for sport because.......

Animal abuse is animal abuse.  It's just easy to single Vick out.  He's not a monster to be forever villified, he's a human being that made mistakes.  My grandmother had a saying I think applies when you know better you do better.  Vick now knows better and is now living a better life.

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Nope. Not saying that at all... Hunting for sport is not a sport in my book. It's barbaric too... Most hunters are not forced to go out and shoot dinner... As for Vick, I'd posit he knew better to begin with but chose to ignore what he knew until he got caught. Then, he 'got religion'...

But you know, we can debate this all night and neither of us is going to be swayed by the other. All we'll manage to do is get the thread deleted, if it isn't headed that way already. I suggest we simply agree to disagree.

Happy Holidays to you...

[liliblu]

Happy Holidays.

[Drythe]

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@liliblu wrote:

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@stevieb wrote:

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@liliblu wrote:

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@hckynutjohn wrote:

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@ncascade wrote:

Is that Michael Vick in that commercial? The Shiners Childrens Hospital?

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I hope not! Have not seen it. Do know where I would like to see him!

hckynut(john)

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Michael Vick served his time and learned from his mistakes.  He is older and wiser.  At the time of his conviction chicken fights were still legal in some states.  Not everyone grows up with an appreciation for the life of animals.  Michael Vick knows what he did was wrong and shown growth.  The lack of forgiveness expressed on this message board is sad to read. 

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It was dog fights, not chicken fights... And sometimes, outside of sainthood, forgiveness for something so intrinsically ignorant, cruel, depraved and mean spirited is hard to come by...

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I know it was dog fights.  But chicken fights were still legal in parts of America.  Do you place more value on and have more empathy for the suffering of one animal over another?  Do you protest the cruelty that cows and pigs endure before and when they slaughtered to become our dinner? 

I love dogs and had one for nearly 14 years.  But I will not hold Vick's actions against him for the rest of his life.  Vick has worked to make amends for his actions.   He has a right to make a living for his family in his chosen profession. 

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Forgiving is one thing.

Forgetting is another.

And no, I do not eat meat.

[MoJoV]

Hanging,burning,drowning,beating,starving any fellow creature should show you that this is a soulless,cruel,twisted personality. And do not give me the "cultural" drool.  You can't put that kind of monstrous behavior where it isn't.  That's the way he's wired.