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Re: Merry Christmas to all Orthodox Christians


@golding76 wrote:

Sooner,

 

I am not a religious scholar, but in broad strokes, here is is how Christianity evolved:

 

There was one ancient church that, in 1053 A.D. (I think), split into the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church.  The seat of the Catholic Church was Rome while that of the Orthodox was Constantinople.  The Roman Empire had become stronger than the Byzantine Empire and flexed its muscles.  They introduced the Pope to lead the church in the West; in the East, however, the Patriarch remained the head of the Orthodox church.  There is still a Patriarch in what is now Istanbul.  (Remember the song "Istanbul Not Constantinople"?) 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcze7EGorOk

 

 

Then came Martin Luther and John Calvin, leaders of the Protestant Reformation.  In time, the various Protestant denominations we know today emerged.  They relinquished certain aspects (depending on the denomination) of the ancient churches, developing their own ways of worship.  Some holy days were dropped from the religious calendars.

 

That's it in a nutshell.  Christianity had the same starting point, and then different branches began forming. 

 

 


Thank you @golding76!  I also remember there were the five churches, can't remember all the towns though. My history fails me at this hour!  And age! 

 

 In Oklahoma City there are Greek Orthodox and Antiochian Orthodox, with beautiful churches very new buildings within a mile of one another.  Both have fabulous food fests in the autumn, and it is a big deal here.  We always love taking the church tours when we get to go, which is not often enough!  The food is wonderful too!

 

Oklahoma has more Catholic, Lutheran, Episcopal and Methodist Churches in the north where many people came in from Missouri, Kansas and other more northern states; and more Baptist Churches probably in the east and southeast where settlers came in from the southern and Appalachian states.  Also there are many of Jewish heritage as well.

 

With so many tribes here, we have a number of Native American religious groups, but I'm not really familiar with some of them enough to talk about it.  I do know that some weave more traditional aspects in their services than some others. 

 

I always love hearing about churches and how their congregations worship. 

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In Russia New years Day is super important. It's a day for exchanging gifts. No Santa, but Father Frost. The actual holiday of Christmas comes afterwards.  Christmas is the more religious holiday.  You have to remember that when the Communism took over, it was an atheist government.  New Year's day replaced Christmas. Russia was no longer a theocracy. So New years Day became more important then Christmas. But Russia will never fully become a theocracy again.  So New Years is THE holiday in Russia.

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Fabulous, cherry.  Thank you.  

 

State-side, you will find areas with bodies of water have young Greek Orthodox males diving after a cross.  Although our parish is in Northern Virginia, anyone in our area interested in diving for the cross joins contenders in Ocean City, Md.  Cold temps do not hold anyone back.

 

It goes without saying that Tarpon Springs, Fla., always has a huge celebration.

 

Thousands celebrate Epiphany cross dive in Tarpon Springs

 

Ilias Skandaliaris, 17, of Tarpon Springs emerges from Spring Bayou with the treasured cross
 
 
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TARPON SPRINGS — Ilias Skandaliaris had a feeling in his gut over the last few nights. He was restless, couldn’t sleep.

Even so, he said he never could have imagined the “huge blessing” that would come to him on Sunday afternoon.

From the crowd of 58 boys who jumped from dingys into Spring Bayou during St. Nicholas Cathedral’s 113th Epiphany celebration, Skandaliaris, 17, emerged from the waters grasping the wooden cross tossed in by His Eminence Archbishop Demetrios, Primate of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America.

It is a feat that tradition says brings a year of blessings to the cross retriever, the highlight of the event commemorating the baptism of Jesus Christ by John the Baptist in the Jordan River.

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To Skandaliaris, born in Kalamos, Greece, and raised in Tarpon Springs since he was 3, it was a moment that brought him to tears of joy after years watching others receive the honor.

“I feel like it’s a dream,” Skandaliaris said. “Everything is a blur, everything is fast, everything is love.”

The largest Epiphany celebration in the Western Hemisphere brought an estimated 22,000 people to downtown Tarpon Springs on the cloudless and cool Sunday, according to spokesperson Johanna Kossifidis.

The day began as it does every year, with an 8 a.m. Mass and Divine Liturgy at St. Nicholas that lasts almost four hours.

As Greek chanting reverberated through the sanctuary’s high, decorated ceilings, Stavroula Christesson, 73, lit a candle symbolizing prosperity outside the door.

“It’s good for your health,” said Christesson.

A procession then made its way to the Spring Bayou, with clergy, hierarchs, dignitaries and parishioners surrounded by choir members and folk dancers in traditional garb. The sight brings people from Greece and beyond to Tarpon Springs. Craig Theros, supreme governor of the American Hellenic Educational Progressive Association traveled from Ann Arbor, Mich., to experience Tarpon’s Epiphany, “an item on my bucket list.”

Sophia Carafotes had always observed Epiphany at home in Boston by attending Mass and baking her grandmother’s tsoreki bread, made with a coin in the batter to offer the finder a year of blessings. Now retired, she said it was time to travel to Tarpon Springs to experience the life changing event in the flesh.

“This represents a new beginning, a new start with the new year,” Carafotes said.

After the Archbishop blessed Spring Bayou with a dozen clergy at his side, and thousands of spectators dotting the grass around the water, Stella Bilirakis, 15, released a dove into the air to symbolize the Holy Spirit flying over the bayou.

St. Nicholas reserves the cross dive only for boys 16 to 18, one of the few if not the only Greek Orthodox churches in the U.S. to bar girls. Every year, one girl is selected from the choir with the honor of releasing the dove before the dive.

When the archbishop tossed the cross into the 70-degree water, the 58 boys dove in. Skandaliaris said when he came up for his first breath of air, he saw bubbles where the wooden cross lined with lead had sunk. He went under and saw the white cross at the bottom of the roughly 10-foot bayou, grabbed it “and just jumped up” as boys flailed around him.

The boys carried Skandaliaris on their shoulders through a cheering hoard of thousands back to the church as he held the cross above his head.

“Axios!” they chanted, meaning worthy.

Attendees filtered into nearby Craig Park, a waterfront oasis west of the bayou, for the Glendi festival.

The park came alive as families sunned themselves on blankets by the waterfront and lines snaked behind tents selling gyro meat, stuffed grape leaves and Greek salad with potatoes. It was the first time in 12 years the Glendi had been held in the park, a welcome change for the public after years of the festival being held in and around the church hall.

“You get great weather, and you get more people,” said Tommy Mahninis, 51, who came by boat with a friend. But inside the church, Skandaliaris was still trying to fathom what had just happened to him.

A Tarpon Springs High School student and football player, Skandaliaris said the weight of the responsibility to be a cross retriever was not lost on him.

“Indescribable, I never thought I would have this moment,” he said.

Christian Chrysakis, 19, who retrieved the cross last year, said the experience is something that can’t properly be put into words. It has to be experienced to be understood.

Since retrieving the cross in 2018, Chrysakis, of Tarpon Springs, went on to Brevard College in North Carolina on a football scholarship but returned to his hometown after a concussion ended his athletic career.

Now a student at St. Petersburg College, Chrysakis said the experience of retrieving the cross has shaped him as an adult and prepared him for his future.

“It slowed me down, it changed the way I look at life,” Chrysakis said. “When I touched the cross in the water, I had an out of body experience. I try to talk about it to other people and they can’t understand. We are all in a brotherhood now.”

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Epiphany celebrations ,around the world, in pictures

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6562681/Gondolieri-dress-old-women-Venice-Epiphany-processi...


@cherryyour thread is a must read for anyone with a modicum of intellectual curiosity. So many unfortunately are set in their ways in their own culture and in their own religious ceremonies and will sadly miss out!  We were raised to have an open mind.  Thank you for your thread and thanks to my Jewish parents and their unending love in raising us.  

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@songbird wrote:

In Russia New years Day is super important. It's a day for exchanging gifts. No Santa, but Father Frost. The actual holiday of Christmas comes afterwards.  Christmas is the more religious holiday.  You have to remember that when the Communism took over, it was an atheist government.  New Year's day replaced Christmas. Russia was no longer a theocracy. So New years Day became more important then Christmas. But Russia will never fully become a theocracy again.  So New Years is THE holiday in Russia.


@songbird

 

Hi, yes it’s very true. New Year is the most favorite, important holiday in Russia.

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@zumka wrote:

Epiphany celebrations ,around the world, in pictures

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6562681/Gondolieri-dress-old-women-Venice-Epiphany-processi...


@cherryyour thread is a must read for anyone with a modicum of intellectual curiosity. So many unfortunately are set in their ways in their own culture and in their own religious ceremonies and will sadly miss out!  We were raised to have an open mind.  Thank you for your thread and thanks to my Jewish parents and their unending love in raising us.  


@zumka My experience also