Meghan Started Young - Page 5

Laura14 · ‎06-09-2014

@FuzzyFace wrote:
@Laura14 wrote:
@FuzzyFace wrote:
@Laura14 wrote:
Kids that age are just parroting their parents. But I do applaud her mom for encouraging her daughter's public expression and teaching her that girls are not limited in any way.
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HA! Not me. Wherever did you get this idea?

@FuzzyFace Science

What kind of science? There's many different kind of "science".

@FuzzyFace Good question. I should have been more specific. Google Erickson's stages of psychosocial development. I studied it when I got a teaching license 100 years ago. It explains exactly what thinking/maturity level humans are at with each "stage/age" of life.

What some people are ascribing to Meghan here just doesn't happen until you are a little bit older than she was.

bathina · ‎03-14-2010

@Marp wrote:
@bathina wrote:
@Laura14 I beg to differ on a 12 year old's ability to recognize societal stereotypes and think in a socially conscientious way. I have a 12 year old niece, 10 year old nephew and 7 1/2 year old grandson who would shock you with how they think and what they know.

@bathina, since you are aware of the children's thinking and knowledge I am going to take a huge leap of faith and say congratulations to their parents for recognizing that even young children can and do have deep thoughts and let them express themselves.

Thank you @Marp. There are children who are quite socially conscious and can think and discern in ways that never fail to astound me. I raised my daughter to think about those less fortunate and to be aware of her own privilege and she has raised her son to do the same. He attends a school that reflects these values. I would love to post his essay on what he would accomplish if he were a civil rights activist. It is amazing.

bathina · ‎03-14-2010

@tansy wrote:
@Hoovermom wrote:
Feminism - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism

Feminism is a range of political movements, ideologies, and social movements that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve political, economic, personal, and social equality of sexes. This includes seeking to establish educational and professional opportunities for women that are equal to those for men.

Wow. That just sounds so wrong...not😏

Right? Why on earth would anyone want this? Duh.

Shawnie · ‎03-10-2010

@Laura14 wrote:
@bathina I agree with her probably being an emotionally intelligent child which it seems she was but I think it is important to keep perspective that a 12 year old child is still a child. There is plenty to praise her on without going overboard.

No child at this age has the life experience or ability to reason so abstractly with societal stereotypes tied into corporate marketing plans which is the fundamental basis of even being able to form your own opinion.

More probable reality is an adult made a comment and she acted on it in a way that was encouraged because it expressed a favorable point of her view in her household. Imitation is how kids learn and obviously she did.

I do not agree with you. At about the same age, I was 12 and decades before Miss Markle, I remember thinking it was not fair that my mother had to ask my father for money. I also demanded that household chores be evenly divided between me and my brother. No woman's work solely for the girl in the family. I watched tv and remember thinking It wasn't right the way family roles were portrayed. I also was offended that the Indians were always the bad guys. Now I didn't write to anyone at that age, but I had the thoughts and put them into action in my world. And the life experience was all around me. My views grew stronger as I got out into the work world and corporate America tried to treat me less than the men. Wasn't happening, and it didn't. The 12 year old child in me said No. So yes, I do believe that Miss Markle, the 12 year old had these ideas in her own right.

this is my nic · ‎03-30-2010

OK, what is the big deal? She stated something at age 12? And? This woman will never be anything more than whatever being married to Prince Harry affords her. He will never be king. Not only is Charles next, then there's William, then William's children.

Laura14 · ‎06-09-2014

@Shawnie wrote:
@Laura14 wrote:
@bathina I agree with her probably being an emotionally intelligent child which it seems she was but I think it is important to keep perspective that a 12 year old child is still a child. There is plenty to praise her on without going overboard.

No child at this age has the life experience or ability to reason so abstractly with societal stereotypes tied into corporate marketing plans which is the fundamental basis of even being able to form your own opinion.

More probable reality is an adult made a comment and she acted on it in a way that was encouraged because it expressed a favorable point of her view in her household. Imitation is how kids learn and obviously she did.

I do not agree with you. At about the same age, I was 12 and decades before Miss Markle, I remember thinking it was not fair that my mother had to ask my father for money. I also demanded that household chores be evenly divided between me and my brother. No woman's work solely for the girl in the family. I watched tv and remember thinking It wasn't right the way family roles were portrayed. I also was offended that the Indians were always the bad guys. Now I didn't write to anyone at that age, but I had the thoughts and put them into action in my world. And the life experience was all around me. My views grew stronger as I got out into the work world and corporate America tried to treat me less than the men. Wasn't happening, and it didn't. The 12 year old child in me said No. So yes, I do believe that Miss Markle, the 12 year old had these ideas in her own right.

@Shawnie You had those ideas because you were taught your worth by the adults around you. And you said it yourself that your views grew stronger as you got older. That's my point. Children imitiate the values being taught to them but they don't come into their own with literally their own minds until they are much older.

bathina · ‎03-14-2010

@Laura14 wrote:
@Shawnie wrote:
@Laura14 wrote:
@bathina I agree with her probably being an emotionally intelligent child which it seems she was but I think it is important to keep perspective that a 12 year old child is still a child. There is plenty to praise her on without going overboard.

No child at this age has the life experience or ability to reason so abstractly with societal stereotypes tied into corporate marketing plans which is the fundamental basis of even being able to form your own opinion.

More probable reality is an adult made a comment and she acted on it in a way that was encouraged because it expressed a favorable point of her view in her household. Imitation is how kids learn and obviously she did.

I do not agree with you. At about the same age, I was 12 and decades before Miss Markle, I remember thinking it was not fair that my mother had to ask my father for money. I also demanded that household chores be evenly divided between me and my brother. No woman's work solely for the girl in the family. I watched tv and remember thinking It wasn't right the way family roles were portrayed. I also was offended that the Indians were always the bad guys. Now I didn't write to anyone at that age, but I had the thoughts and put them into action in my world. And the life experience was all around me. My views grew stronger as I got out into the work world and corporate America tried to treat me less than the men. Wasn't happening, and it didn't. The 12 year old child in me said No. So yes, I do believe that Miss Markle, the 12 year old had these ideas in her own right.
@Shawnie You had those ideas because you were taught your worth by the adults around you. And you said it yourself that your views grew stronger as you got older. That's my point. Children imitiate the values being taught to them but they don't come into their own with literally their own minds until they are much older.

You are missing the broader point which is children at 12 can and do have the power of discernment. They may be influenced by the adults around them, but their thoughts are not necessarily "parroting" the thoughts of those adults. Children are capable of reaching their own conclusion on many issues. We've been treated to some examples here.

this is my nic · ‎03-30-2010

So glad things I said or did at age 12 were not saved!

At age 12 I won our town's American Legion essay contest. I'm glad there is nothing saved to read or to see me reading it before an audience!

Laura14 · ‎06-09-2014

@bathina I'm not missing any point. I'm not saying a 12 year old can't think for themselves. What I am saying is the maturity and life experience to fully comprehend gender and societal issues especially in relation to a corporate marketing campaign is just not there yet.