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@KKJ wrote:
Couldn't agree more! It's the continual demonizing and harping about what others are or aren't doing and what we can't control is maddening. And that's what I say. Do what you need to do and stop worrying about others ( meaning the public) and what you can't control.

What I see is controlling,bossy, rude and hateful comments to try and force their opinion on others. They are driving themselves nuts with it and are desperate to make anyone who doesn't follow along shut up. 

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Hmm, I could say the same. Not all will agree with a poster and so you think I (we) should just shut-up unless we agree with you? What I'm talking about is post after post thread after thread after thread harping about people not wearing masks, etc. And yes, if I don't like it I can just pass by and yes, after a zillion posts on this topic and people complaining about it that's what I (we) should do. But isn't that also the silencing of posters you were talking about? IOW unless they agree with you, we should just be quiet.
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Amen prettychis!
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@KKJ wrote:
Amen prettychis!

The shut up and do as your told bunch make me wonder what will be the next thing they try to force others to do. They should focus on criminals, drunk drivers those who won't follow actual laws. 

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@Lali1 wrote:

The fear mongering is incredible. Most people who get the virus never end up in the hospital. People might as well just say what they really think of the people who won't follow their rules. I think it goes something like you deserve to be on a ventilator if you don't do what we say. The ventilator threat is so old and tired. 


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@Lali1   I think a person's perspective of fear mongering is somewhat in play here as well.

 

Here is why it matters and yes, we can do quite a bit to accept the guidelines, understand the science, and do whatever one can to participate in a national goal to work productively to bring transmission as low as we possibly can.

 

One example:  A nursing home in the eastern part of my state is now experiencing a fairly big outbreak. All of our long term residents and health care workers that wanted to be vaccinated have been vaccinated.  An unknown strain of SARS-CoV-2 was brought into this nursing home by an unvaccinated health care worker.

 

There are now 41 residents and healthcare workers infected with this new variant.  Of the 41 individuals testing positive, 83% are unvaccinated & 30% were vaccinated.  5 are now hospitalized.  They decompensated pretty quickly and were all hospitalized pretty quickly as well.  This is in an area of the state that does not have many hospitals and are challenged when they get a number of patients.

 

Good news is it appears that those that are vaccinated that have tested positive have fairly mild symptoms and are doing ok so far.  So it looks like the vaccine is doing what anyone would hope it would do.

 

Bad news is this is a totally new variant that has not readily been identified before.  It doesn't match the South African variant or the UK variant.  They are currently conducting in depth genetic testing (very expensive. to do) to evaluate this strain.

 

The more the virus circulates, the more opportunity it has to mutate and produce more variants.  That runs the risk of as your statement says the majority of people that get the virus never end up in the hospital going totoally down the drain.  Especially if a newer variant becomes dominant that is more dangerous and people are out there espousing freedom and the right to make their own choices. 

 

It is about more than just one person.  There are people that blew off precautions during the early fall that now no doubt have literally hundreds of people in "their" chain of infection.  

 

 


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@pitdakota wrote:

@Lali1 wrote:

The fear mongering is incredible. Most people who get the virus never end up in the hospital. People might as well just say what they really think of the people who won't follow their rules. I think it goes something like you deserve to be on a ventilator if you don't do what we say. The ventilator threat is so old and tired. 


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@Lali1   I think a person's perspective of fear mongering is somewhat in play here as well.

 

Here is why it matters and yes, we can do quite a bit to accept the guidelines, understand the science, and do whatever one can to participate in a national goal to work productively to bring transmission as low as we possibly can.

 

One example:  A nursing home in the eastern part of my state is now experiencing a fairly big outbreak. All of our long term residents and health care workers that wanted to be vaccinated have been vaccinated.  An unknown strain of SARS-CoV-2 was brought into this nursing home by an unvaccinated health care worker.

 

There are now 41 residents and healthcare workers infected with this new variant.  Of the 41 individuals testing positive, 83% are unvaccinated & 30% were vaccinated.  5 are now hospitalized.  They decompensated pretty quickly and were all hospitalized pretty quickly as well.  This is in an area of the state that does not have many hospitals and are challenged when they get a number of patients.

 

Good news is it appears that those that are vaccinated that have tested positive have fairly mild symptoms and are doing ok so far.  So it looks like the vaccine is doing what anyone would hope it would do.

 

Bad news is this is a totally new variant that has not readily been identified before.  It doesn't match the South African variant or the UK variant.  They are currently conducting in depth genetic testing (very expensive. to do) to evaluate this strain.

 

The more the virus circulates, the more opportunity it has to mutate and produce more variants.  That runs the risk of as your statement says the majority of people that get the virus never end up in the hospital going totoally down the drain.  Especially if a newer variant becomes dominant that is more dangerous and people are out there espousing freedom and the right to make their own choices. 

 

It is about more than just one person.  There are people that blew off precautions during the early fall that now no doubt have literally hundreds of people in "their" chain of infection.  

 

 


@pitdakota, this one of the main reasons to get the shots into as many people as possible very quickly.


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@suzyQ3, Exactly!

 

Case in point about transmission.  For the contact tracing in the outbreak in this nursing home; it came from one unvaccinated worker. 

 

That one person is  now responsible for  infecting 40 other workers and residents in the nursing home.  Total cluster at this time is now 56 cases because other unvaccinated health care workers infected another 15 people thus far out there in the community.

 

So now this one health care worker has a total of 55 people in their chain.  Remove that one health care worker if he/she had not become infected and a total of 56 cases would have been prevented.  

 

And that one health care worker was infected by someone else.  

 

 


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It is a crying 😭 shame that this is such a polarizing issue.  It didn't need to be that way.

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I wish that those who have been vaccinated would still wear a mask (some do). The OP assumed that her husband's friends might not have been (she didn't say that) but they weren't wearing a mask. One had had covid and the other works in Health Care. 

 

What I don't understand is why her husband went outside to greet them without wearing a mask when he knew he should have. Guess he felt safe around them because they had been vaxxed.

 

I wear a mask whenever I'm out but not inside my home. I don't wipe anything down or overdo it but to each his or her own. Do what's best for you.

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@tansy wrote:

It is a crying 😭 shame that this is such a polarizing issue.  It didn't need to be that way.


 

@tansy  you really had me going. Couldn't remember what the word "polarizing" meant. I kept saying polarizing, polarizing. I had to google it. lol

 

My brain has turned to mush (I'll say mulch) just had some delivered.