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Looks like one more episode then it's over till the next season.

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Not to change the original subject, but, just curious.

How many think Charles will make Camilla , Queen ?

 

I'm thinking he just might.

 

 

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@SharkE. At the rate they're going, the queen may outlive Charles and we won't have to worry about it.  I really would hate to see that woman be called queen; she hasn't earned it.

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Depends how you look at it. As like her great-grandma Alice Keppell they

earned it LOL    He should had never married Di in first place he was pushed into that. Charles let Camilla get away yrs before and shouldn't had done that.

Queen, probably has another 10 left in her. Her mother didn't die till 101 almost 102. None are smokers, unlike the previous generations that took down every one of them. Everybody is skinny as rails 'cept Queenie, but, who cares when your in your 90's.  Phillip looks like he could go any day now, wise , to take him out of service.

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I know they were cousins but, as monarchs, they sometimes referred to each other as sisters.

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@SharkEwrote:

Recommend watching Cate Blanchett in Elizabeth I and II great movies

They stay pretty close to the truth. I hate those movies that just turn historical fact into bunch of lies, half truths and made up stuff full of sex and

titillation. If that's what you want rent a porno.

 

I just watched 'Versailles' about KIng Louis XIV. I'm not as much up on France as I am England, but, I don't think he had a brother and in this horror

him and his 'brother' fought all the time. Somebody sits down and writes whatever they want to and say it's about King Louis of France. I hate that. LOL   I never read fiction, so, I just want the real facts as much as any of us

know after hundres of yrs. later.


 

I must disagree.  They played fast and looosey goosey in several important matters.  It was a gorgeou, lush movie nonetheless.

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@Margo Channingwrote:

@SharkEwrote:

Recommend watching Cate Blanchett in Elizabeth I and II great movies

They stay pretty close to the truth. I hate those movies that just turn historical fact into bunch of lies, half truths and made up stuff full of sex and

titillation. If that's what you want rent a porno.

 

I just watched 'Versailles' about KIng Louis XIV. I'm not as much up on France as I am England, but, I don't think he had a brother and in this horror

him and his 'brother' fought all the time. Somebody sits down and writes whatever they want to and say it's about King Louis of France. I hate that. LOL   I never read fiction, so, I just want the real facts as much as any of us

know after hundres of yrs. later.


 

I must disagree.  They played fast and looosey goosey in several important matters.  It was a gorgeou, lush movie nonetheless.


You mean when Walsingham killed the French De Guise woman?

That obnoxious brother of hers she was trying to palm off on the Queen was a mess. She saw thru that praise God !

Bloody Mary burnings was true, she thought she was pregnant couple of times and wasn't that was true, she really had cancer that was true. Good thing she didn't kill her sister.

 

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Re: Mary Queen of Scots

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@SharkEwrote:

@Margo Channingwrote:

@SharkEwrote:

Recommend watching Cate Blanchett in Elizabeth I and II great movies

They stay pretty close to the truth. I hate those movies that just turn historical fact into bunch of lies, half truths and made up stuff full of sex and

titillation. If that's what you want rent a porno.

 

I just watched 'Versailles' about KIng Louis XIV. I'm not as much up on France as I am England, but, I don't think he had a brother and in this horror

him and his 'brother' fought all the time. Somebody sits down and writes whatever they want to and say it's about King Louis of France. I hate that. LOL   I never read fiction, so, I just want the real facts as much as any of us

know after hundres of yrs. later.


 

I must disagree.  They played fast and looosey goosey in several important matters.  It was a gorgeou, lush movie nonetheless.


You mean when Walsingham killed the French De Guise woman?

That obnoxious brother of hers she was trying to palm off on the Queen was a mess. She saw thru that praise God !

Bloody Mary burnings was true, she thought she was pregnant couple of times and wasn't that was true, she really had cancer that was true. Good thing she didn't kill her sister.

 

@Margo Channing



@SharkEwrote:

@Margo Channingwrote:

@SharkEwrote:

Recommend watching Cate Blanchett in Elizabeth I and II great movies

They stay pretty close to the truth. I hate those movies that just turn historical fact into bunch of lies, half truths and made up stuff full of sex and

titillation. If that's what you want rent a porno.

 

I just watched 'Versailles' about KIng Louis XIV. I'm not as much up on France as I am England, but, I don't think he had a brother and in this horror

him and his 'brother' fought all the time. Somebody sits down and writes whatever they want to and say it's about King Louis of France. I hate that. LOL   I never read fiction, so, I just want the real facts as much as any of us

know after hundres of yrs. later.


 

I must disagree.  They played fast and looosey goosey in several important matters.  It was a gorgeou, lush movie nonetheless.


You mean when Walsingham killed the French De Guise woman?

That obnoxious brother of hers she was trying to palm off on the Queen was a mess. She saw thru that praise God !

Bloody Mary burnings was true, she thought she was pregnant couple of times and wasn't that was true, she really had cancer that was true. Good thing she didn't kill her sister.

 

@Margo Channing


 

No.  I mean she did not force Cecil/ iinto retirement.  He was exiled for two   years after Mary's execution. Davison,  who was in  charge the tower was imprisoned fort 5. but Burley was brought back when the threat of the Armada rose.  He consistently was a good adviser and she called spirit".  Dudley was referred to as her eyes. She was devastated whenhe  both of them died.

 

The first movie has Dudley exiled from curt  for life, which is patently absurd.

 They were a couple, albeit on and off until his death right after the Armada  tvictory.

She didn't  Walsingham, she thought he was a religious fanatic, altho she srespected his work and deeply appreciated his efforts {quite possibly because he an the whole job with his own mone{} to keep bheer and England safe.

 

History itselis so fasciating I don't get the needd tinker  with.

 

Now, who is the deGuise woman Walsingham had killed?I'm drawinga blank.

 

 

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@Oznellwrote:

All this time later, Mary still makes news.  At some point, maybe last year, they discovered a portrait that underneath the countenance of the person painted, had a "ghost" portrait of Mary!   Would love to know the circumstances of it being painted over.

 

Agreed, @RainCityWoman,  Elizabeth would not have undertaken such an action lightly.  The stakes were so very high, and plotting against a throne, if proven to be true, the height of treason, and a threat to the very heart of the state...

 

Still, it must have been wrenching!


As the daughter of Henry VIII and Anne Bolyn, Elizabeth saw much treachery in her young life, and since Henry had his marriage to Anne annulled after she was executed, Elizabeth was declared Illegitimate. The throne went to her sickly half brother for a while. Then it went to her Catholic half sister Mary who eventually died of cancer. At one point Elizabeth was imprisoned by Mary and accused of trying to mount a Protestant rebellion. Elizabeth's reign reached it full strength on the world stage when her navy defeated the mighty Spanish Armada. It is amazing how really strong this woman was. She survived it all and ruled for a very long time considering the time period. She also survived smallpox which was quite a feat. That's why the royal designers created the neck ruff: to cover the small pox scars on her neck. Soon everyone in the British upper class was wearing the Elizabethan ruff in deference to their queen.

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@Margo Channing  They had Walsingham go to France to discuss the possibility of her brother, cousin or whoever he was to marry Queen Eliz.

Mary of Guise, in the movie seemed to want to get 'friendly' with Walsingham

and they got together during the night, in the morning she was found dead.

 

The movie acted  like she was murdered. She was the Mother of Mary , Queen of Scots. I thought that probably wasn't correct because he wouldn't had done it himself would had ordered it done. So, I researched it and found this.

 

n the 1998 film Elizabeth, Mary was played by the French actress Fanny Ardant. Her death was depicted as assassination at the hands of Francis Walsingham.

 

In the article it said she died of natural causes . What they called back then 'dropsy'. She started retaining water, ankles , face, etc Natural death she wasn't murdered as the movie depicted.

 

Don't know why they don't stay with the facts. The Netflix show 'The Crown' , seems to be really sticking with the facts. I'm waiting for Season 2 of that show to come out. I don't have Netflix I get it thru library.