@NycVixen wrote:
@chrystaltree wrote:
@Skididdy wrote:
What is wrong with everyone ??? Country is going to heck, and individuals clearly have zero moral fiber. I just PRAY THAT WITH THE HIGHLIGHT ON ALL THESE BEHAVIORS OF MISCONDUCT THAT IT WILL CHANGE THINGS FROM THIS DAY FORWARD FOR MY TEEN AGE DAUGHTERS. LETS HOPE. THATS ALL WE SEEM TO HAVE THESE DAYS !
That's a nice dream but it will never happen as long we blame the men, banish them and think that doing so will somehow solve a systemic problem that also involves women. It isn't just a problem with how SOME men treat and behave toward women, it's also a matter of how too many women under value themselves and are willing to accept abuse and mistreatment because it's easier for them to just accept it or because they feel they have something to gain by accepting the situation. Highlighting all this garbage is just entertainment for the masses, at this point. First, we have to separate the genuine assault or rape case from the "he tried to kiss me" and "he touched my rear" cases. Those are NOT the same thing! I'm still waiting to see some arrests of the men who truly assaulted women, which is a crime. I'd like to see an end to the the media farce. Right now any woman can just claim that any many did anything to her at any time in her life and if that man is newsworthy....everyone believes it. People fall all over themselves believing it. No proof needed. It's ridiculous. Nothing will change until or I should say unless, our society gets serious about changing how men and women relate to each other. You have teenage daughter, I have daughters in their early 30's. I think our daughters have to learn to take care of themselves and I don't mean self defense classes. Right now, if you dare say something like that, people call it "blaming the vicitim" when actually, it's "empowering women".
@chrystaltree You are so off the mark. You clearly have no understanding of the problem. I've written numerous posts regarding this so I won't repeat myself here.
I work in women's empowerment every day and trust me what you're saying is not empowerment. You're blaming women for being "willing to accept abuse and mistreatment because it's easier" and because women "undervalue themselves".
Women aren't just undervaluing themselves; society undervalues women. Women's suffering is not taken seriously. Women are deemed expendable. From experience and from my work I can tell you with 100% confidence no woman just accepts abuse and it isn't easier to stay silent.
To say anything is easier regarding any abusive situation is so egregious. Many women who fight back and defend themselves face retaliation and have even lost their lives.
You should be careful perpetuating these erroneous ideas because they reinforce dangerous stereotypes and the abuse women face. From my work I can tell you that this type of abuse extends far beyond the female victim; it affects her children, family and society as a whole.
We all pay a price when abuse becomes normalized.
The stereotype is that women are victims and objects of abuse and that this arises entirely and is the fault ONLY of men. Ain't so! There has to be an agreed upon set or moral standards and personal responsibility on both sides before anything good comes out of this discussion we are having now.
And yes, of course casual teen sex leads directly to many of the situations we see today. If it's ok in high school, why not later in life? People aren't as shocked by hooking up now, and it is a more common occurance. So how do you weigh out all that? You can't just look at every woman as a victim and not every woman has to be. But all is not right and fair in the world and we have to teach young women to not put themselves in a situation where they can be attacked. The key here is to prevent it, and to teach women to take responsibility--more than a lot of todays young ladies do.
Saying it's wrong doesn't stop this from happening.
But everybody needs to understand what the game is. And it IS a game and a very dangerous one that people, both male and female, get caught up in. It is a competition in many cases now days. I can't imagine being young now. So much of life isn't the more clear cut decisions we had to make in my day, and I don't feel that society is doing a very good job of helping our young people understand some of the situations they will encounter. Yes it's wrong, but that doesn't prevent it happening.
Again, I am talking about average people, not the truly sick among us.
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