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[scotttie]

On 11/1/2014 MomTo2Dogs said:

I want to add about Spencer is if he had been out during the initial stages of the illness he wouldn't have been very contagious if at all to the general public. There isn't any vomiting or diarrhea. In the MSF webcast it was mentioned that the most contagious period is towards the end and right after death.

Oh yes. I understand that very well. But they have still had to do the contact tracing, if I'm not mistaken.

Two things I just heard them say in the Q&A

1. They send their workers to Brussels to get checked out after their 6 weeks "in country".

2. They get a little rest before they fly and then they come home where the protocol is to monitor for 21 days. They prefer they REST because they need it. If they want to walk the dog in the park they should. If they want to ride a bike, they should. If they want to go to a neighbors party they should. However, I did NOT hear him say they should take public transportation or go into places where they will come into contact with the general public.

3. (This question has come up here): You cannot be re-infected with the virus once you have had it.

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[pitdakota]

On 11/1/2014 MomTo2Dogs said:

It's my understanding that Spencer felt ill after he went out in public. The first symptoms of Ebola are cold/flu like. Fever, fatigue, muscle pain, headache, sore throat. My impression from what I read is Spencer felt fine when he was out and did not feel sick until after he got home. So he would not have been contagious when he was out bowling and in the Uber taxi.

Maybe someone else can chime in on this.

Yes, while Dr. Spencer was out and about was before his temp went up. When his temp elevated he called just as he was supposed to, the system kicked in and worked just like it should. He was following the protocols of MSF. The same ones these health care workers have been following since March of this year with this specific outbreak, not to mention the previous outbreaks of ebola to which MSF has responded.

[Say Nay]

On 11/1/2014 scotttie said:

On 11/1/2014 MomTo2Dogs said:

I want to add about Spencer is if he had been out during the initial stages of the illness he wouldn't have been very contagious if at all to the general public. There isn't any vomiting or diarrhea. In the MSF webcast it was mentioned that the most contagious period is towards the end and right after death.

Oh yes. I understand that very well. But they have still had to do the contact tracing, if I'm not mistaken.

Two things I just heard them say in the Q&A

1. They send their workers to Brussels to get checked out after their 6 weeks "in country".

2. They get a little rest before they fly and then they come home where the protocol is to monitor for 21 days. They prefer they REST because they need it. If they want to walk the dog in the park they should. If they want to ride a bike, they should. If they want to go to a neighbors party they should. However, I did NOT hear him say they should take public transportation or go into places where they will come into contact with the general public.

3. (This question has come up here): You cannot be re-infected with the virus once you have had it.

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That's why I thought MSF was based in Brussels. I think there is some sort of partnership with the Institute of Tropical Medicine in Antwerp. I was in the ITM a few times myself. And as a side note it's also interesting that Antwerp is where the Diamond Bourse is. Much of the rough diamonds exported from Africa passes through Antwerp. Many diamond buyers based in West Africa either live in or pass through Antwerp.

And that is very good news about not being able to be reinfected.

I think it was here where I read MSF is considering shortening the number of weeks out in the field because of the self quarantine recommendation.

[scotttie]

Well, gato, unfortunately I wasn't able to finish the video. However, I did get through most of it and plan to finish it when I get home tomorrow.

I AM PUTTING THIS IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE:

I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD WHO HAS AN INTEREST IN THIS SUBJECT TO WATCH THIS VIDEO. SO VERY CLEAR AND UNDERSTANDABLE.

There wasn't a lot that I didn't know already except for the historic but the graphic nature and the absolute horror those people are living with is brought through loud and clear.

*****

I want to add briefly, that my concern for ebola in America has always been for the health care worker who was unprepared (and may still not be).

In addition, I do hope that returning health care workers will do the right thing and stay home and not go onto public transportation or in public places like bowling alleys so that our public health systems don't have to spend limited and precious resources tracking down people who may have been in contact with a worker should he/she becomes symptomatic. Resting at home for 3 weeks as per protocol is not too much to ask! Okay Miss Kaci can ride her bike and walk her dog but that's all .

one last all caps:

DONATE DONATE DONATE everyone through this organization or Samaritans purse or any other church affiliated group or any other group that is getting supplies to these people. They desperately need them and we have to stop this.

[scotttie]

See y'all tomorrow.

[Say Nay]

On 11/1/2014 pitdakota said:

On 11/1/2014 MomTo2Dogs said:

It's my understanding that Spencer felt ill after he went out in public. The first symptoms of Ebola are cold/flu like. Fever, fatigue, muscle pain, headache, sore throat. My impression from what I read is Spencer felt fine when he was out and did not feel sick until after he got home. So he would not have been contagious when he was out bowling and in the Uber taxi.

Maybe someone else can chime in on this.

Yes, while Dr. Spencer was out and about was before his temp went up. When his temp elevated he called just as he was supposed to, the system kicked in and worked just like it should. He was following the protocols of MSF. The same ones these health care workers have been following since March of this year with this specific outbreak, not to mention the previous outbreaks of ebola to which MSF has responded.

Thanks pitty!

[Say Nay]

On 11/1/2014 scotttie said:

Well, gato, unfortunately I wasn't able to finish the video. However, I did get through most of it and plan to finish it when I get home tomorrow.

I AM PUTTING THIS IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE:

I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD WHO HAS AN INTEREST IN THIS SUBJECT TO WATCH THIS VIDEO. SO VERY CLEAR AND UNDERSTANDABLE.

There wasn't a lot that I didn't know already except for the historic but the graphic nature and the absolute horror those people are living with is brought through loud and clear.

*****

I want to add briefly, that my concern for ebola in America has always been for the health care worker who was unprepared (and may still not be).

In addition, I do hope that returning health care workers will do the right thing and stay home and not go onto public transportation or in public places like bowling alleys so that our public health systems don't have to spend limited and precious resources tracking down people who may have been in contact with a worker should he/she becomes symptomatic. Resting at home for 3 weeks as per protocol is not too much to ask! Okay Miss Kaci can ride her bike and walk her dog but that's all .

one last all caps:

DONATE DONATE DONATE everyone through this organization or Samaritans purse or any other church affiliated group or any other group that is getting supplies to these people. They desperately need them and we have to stop this.

ITA scottie. Thanks for your input on the webcast. It's always great to get your insight and feedback.

Have a great rest of the day!

[Lynnj]

On 11/1/2014 MomTo2Dogs said:

I want to add about Spencer is if he had been out during the initial stages of the illness he wouldn't have been very contagious if at all to the general public. There isn't any vomiting or diarrhea. In the MSF webcast it was mentioned that the most contagious period is towards the end and right after death.

But what are your thoughts about if he had sneezed during this stage while he was out? What about the droplets landing somewhere and soon after someone comes along an touches that same area, then touch their face or eyes?

[Lynnj]

On 11/1/2014 pitdakota said:

On 11/1/2014 MomTo2Dogs said:

It's my understanding that Spencer felt ill after he went out in public. The first symptoms of Ebola are cold/flu like. Fever, fatigue, muscle pain, headache, sore throat. My impression from what I read is Spencer felt fine when he was out and did not feel sick until after he got home. So he would not have been contagious when he was out bowling and in the Uber taxi.

Maybe someone else can chime in on this.

Yes, while Dr. Spencer was out and about was before his temp went up. When his temp elevated he called just as he was supposed to, the system kicked in and worked just like it should. He was following the protocols of MSF. The same ones these health care workers have been following since March of this year with this specific outbreak, not to mention the previous outbreaks of ebola to which MSF has responded.

Okay, so what if someone who is self monitoring is out and about when the temp first begins to go up? The person may be taking temp 2-3 times/day. Let's say on day 10, they take temp in the morning and it is normal. Then they leave and go run errands for most of the day. At some point, the temp starts to rise while they are still out. They may start to feel fatigued also (not sure how quickly that comes on in relation to temp spiking). So they think, one more stop at grocery store to pick a few things up for dinner, then head home. At this point they do not know the temp is up, since they have been out all day, and haven't taken temp. Would they be contagious now? What about if they sneezed during this time, and droplets got on things that others touched shortly after they landed?

[focksie]

Thanks for the link Gato. I'm interested in watching the video. Hopefully tomorrow when I have a bit more time.

Scottie - Thanks for your feedback. Somehow, I expected the video would change your feelings about protocol for returning healthcare workers but I see there was nothing from the video to make you feel otherwise. My views are very much in line with yours regarding protocol for returning healthcare workers.

Lynnj - I have asked the same exact question on more than one thread and there has been no answer yet.