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[scotttie]

Now on to Dr. Tim Jagatic.

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On 11/1/2014 scotttie said:

He just said that over there if they can give immediate treatment at first sign of fever they can save 70 percent but they are not able to catch those oftentimes because they are too busy taking care of the sickest.

Yes. They are so overburdened. And did you see the ill waiting outside because there are no beds?

[scotttie]

On 11/1/2014 MomTo2Dogs said:

On 11/1/2014 scotttie said:

I am on "pause" at the moment.

Cornish just said 3 things key in stopping it in Nigeria and Senegal:

Case Mangement

Contact Tracing

Public Education.

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This has been my point for a few days now, ever since Kaci refuses self quarantine.

IF returning medical workers refuse to self quarantine, then if they should, heaven forbid become symptomatic, this will put a large burden on local health departments, health authorities whatever you want to call it(public health officials). Large amounts of resources will be needed to trace/track all the people the returning hero (and I mean that seriously,--these people are heroes) came into contact with.

This resource drain will have to come from where? The efforts at flu management, this new enterovirus management, vaccine programs. The money and the resources have to come from somewhere in order to do this tracing. It will require manpower.

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So, I haven't heard yet why an at home quarantine is such a terrible thing. Yes, they are saying people don't want to go now but I don't get that so far.

Pause off. Back to listen.

I think it goes back to not being symptomatic meaning not being contagious. Which is why monitoring temperature twice a day is critical.

Yes, but as we saw with Spencer, once one of these doctors realize they are symptomatic and they have been out in public, contacts will have to be traced. Fever isn't always the first sign, am I correct?

[scotttie]

On 11/1/2014 MomTo2Dogs said:

On 11/1/2014 scotttie said:

He just said that over there if they can give immediate treatment at first sign of fever they can save 70 percent but they are not able to catch those oftentimes because they are too busy taking care of the sickest.

Yes. They are so overburdened. And did you see the ill waiting outside because there are no beds?

Hideously overburdened. Heart breaking. One reason it is spreading, they keep trying to find a place to be treated.

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On 11/1/2014 dooBdoo said:

On 11/1/2014 MomTo2Dogs said:

For those who are interested MSF in conjunction with CBC (Canadian Broadcast Corporation) held a webcast on Oct 30th on Ebola. It is approximately 2 hours long. It delves into the current Ebola epidemic and how MSF along with the international community and the local communities are dealing with this tragedy. It is informative and gives a clear, concise and easy to understand picture of the situation.

Personally I needed to watch it. I needed to have it broken down and presented to me by MSF medical staff who worked in the Ebola affected zones. I needed the visuals.

If you have questions, concerns, fears about Ebola I encourage you to invest the 2 hours and watch.

http://www.msf.ca/en/webcast-stopping-ebola-msf’s-experience-front-lines-historic-epidemic

I'm so glad you found this and shared it, Gato! I've been posting articles from and links to Médecins Sans Frontières/Doctors Without Borders on previous threads but couldn't seem to generate interest. This looks wonderful. We're having probs with internet cables downed by high winds, but I look forward to watching this when I have a reliable connection. Thanks, again, you're the best! (Is it okay if I call you one of my heros?)

Oh dear no, I'm not one at all. Just passing along info

It's a fascinating webcast. I learned a lot. I had no idea that MSF has treated 2/3 of the Ebola cases. Can you imagine one organization taking on so much.

I hope you're okay with those high winds

[scotttie]

THe picture of the clinic Dr. Jagatic and the diagramming (sp) was so well thought out . If they could get more of those set up things could turn around.

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On 11/1/2014 scotttie said:

On 11/1/2014 MomTo2Dogs said:

On 11/1/2014 scotttie said:

I am on "pause" at the moment.

Cornish just said 3 things key in stopping it in Nigeria and Senegal:

Case Mangement

Contact Tracing

Public Education.

**

This has been my point for a few days now, ever since Kaci refuses self quarantine.

IF returning medical workers refuse to self quarantine, then if they should, heaven forbid become symptomatic, this will put a large burden on local health departments, health authorities whatever you want to call it(public health officials). Large amounts of resources will be needed to trace/track all the people the returning hero (and I mean that seriously,--these people are heroes) came into contact with.

This resource drain will have to come from where? The efforts at flu management, this new enterovirus management, vaccine programs. The money and the resources have to come from somewhere in order to do this tracing. It will require manpower.

****

So, I haven't heard yet why an at home quarantine is such a terrible thing. Yes, they are saying people don't want to go now but I don't get that so far.

Pause off. Back to listen.

I think it goes back to not being symptomatic meaning not being contagious. Which is why monitoring temperature twice a day is critical.

Yes, but as we saw with Spencer, once one of these doctors realize they are symptomatic and they have been out in public, contacts will have to be traced. Fever isn't always the first sign, am I correct?

It's my understanding that Spencer felt ill after he went out in public. The first symptoms of Ebola are cold/flu like. Fever, fatigue, muscle pain, headache, sore throat. My impression from what I read is Spencer felt fine when he was out and did not feel sick until after he got home. So he would not have been contagious when he was out bowling and in the Uber taxi.

Maybe someone else can chime in on this.

[scotttie]

I have to skip ahead to the Q&A because I have to leave soon (darn).

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On 11/1/2014 scotttie said:

THe picture of the clinic Dr. Jagatic and the diagramming (sp) was so well thought out . If they could get more of those set up things could turn around.

MSF is incredibly organized. I'm really impressed.

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I want to add about Spencer is if he had been out during the initial stages of the illness he wouldn't have been very contagious if at all to the general public. There isn't any vomiting or diarrhea. In the MSF webcast it was mentioned that the most contagious period is towards the end and right after death.