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12-16-2017 03:42 PM - edited 12-16-2017 03:44 PM
@magicmoodz wrote:
@Q4u wrote:.... and where is the proof? Take them at their word? I'm for firing/arresting anyone (man or woman) who is guilty. More than one accuser? Proof in numbers?
I'm just remembering the horrific period of time when teachers at pre-schools were accused of molestation all over this country mainly because the experts told us that these children could not possibly come up with the stories they were telling if they were not true. Meanwhile reputations were ruined, people fired, arrests made and then.... other "professiionals" said to hold up a minute, went back into the mire and realized that many of the children were not molested. It was quite a period.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria
Can I ask why you feel you deserve to have privy to "the truth"? Do you think these large corporations have not investigated the allegations before terminating the accused. We don't deserve to know all the slimey details. I recently heard a pundit say the allegations against Matt Lauer are provable and horrific while at the same time the accuser wants to remain anonymous.
I believe in justice so if anyone is wrongfully accused, let them sue their former employer in a court of law for millions of dollars so they never have to worry about working again. I anxiously await to see how this will play out for Harold Ford Jr.
If I were accused of something I did not do, you can rest assured I would be screaming from the mountain tops. I'm not hearing a whole lot of screaming, but rather some pretty lame "that's not how I remember it" type retorts.
Very interesting considering this is the era of demanding transparency. Why do I feel I deserve to have "the truth"? Because whenever the public is denied the truth, the whole truth is often hidden/worked around or "paid off".... We may not deserve to hear the slimey details, but we do deserve to to be able to trust what we are hearing. Transparency will allow trust to happen. Right now, I don't trust pretty much anything I hear or see on the news or what I read regurgitated from others.
12-16-2017 03:43 PM
@esmerelda wrote:
@Maudlynn wrote:
@TenderMercies wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:Let us not forget the sexual harassment and rape of slave women for several centuries.
I'm not. Read a book. There are several. Her post was factually wrong. What's next, a dissertation on how "Wil and Grace" created gay people?
I've mentioned this before. A good book to start with is The Jungle by Upton Sinclair. It was written in the early 1900s and is still relevant today. In the book, one of the main characters, a Lithuanian immigrant woman working in a factory in Chicago, was exchanging sexual favors with her boss just so she could continue working.
We know harassment and assault is not new. We also know the majority of the perps are men because women haven't had positions of power until the last 30 years or so. I'm amazed at the attempt to justify/equate/conflate this issue. Especially from the female pov.
@MaudlynnA better place to start (instead of reading a NOVEL from a person's imagination and not factual information) might be a NONFICTION book on sexual harassment in the workplace. There are many available.
au contraire! the book was written after extensive undercover research of the treatment of immigrant families in the meatpacking industry in Chicago. it encompasses harassment in the workplace, dangerous working conditions, child labor, poverty and discrimination among that population. Thank goodness for regulations and labor unions, is all i can say.
12-16-2017 03:55 PM
Mario is apparently tone deaf. Look up his name right now and his ridiculous apology letter has a recipe for pizza doughcinnamon rolls😏
12-16-2017 04:03 PM
@tansy wrote:Mario is apparently tone deaf. Look up his name right now and his ridiculous apology letter has a recipe for pizza doughcinnamon rolls😏
i saw it earlier.....it has created a twitter uproar!
12-16-2017 04:03 PM
@tansy wrote:Mario is apparently tone deaf. Look up his name right now and his ridiculous apology letter has a recipe for pizza doughcinnamon rolls😏
I know! My daughter told me about it, she was floored by what he said and DIDN'T say! He didn't apologize to the many women traumatized by his behavior. According to Anthony Bourdain, he also assaulted female chefs.
OMG, Batali evidently thought he could fix everything by handing out a recipe.
CNN report:
12-16-2017 04:13 PM
@Noel7 At first I thought it was taken from The Onion because how could he be so stunningly stupid😏
12-16-2017 04:18 PM - edited 12-16-2017 05:31 PM
@Maudlynn wrote:
@esmerelda wrote:
@Maudlynn wrote:
@TenderMercies wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:Let us not forget the sexual harassment and rape of slave women for several centuries.
I'm not. Read a book. There are several. Her post was factually wrong. What's next, a dissertation on how "Wil and Grace" created gay people?
I've mentioned this before. A good book to start with is The Jungle by Upton Sinclair. It was written in the early 1900s and is still relevant today. In the book, one of the main characters, a Lithuanian immigrant woman working in a factory in Chicago, was exchanging sexual favors with her boss just so she could continue working.
We know harassment and assault is not new. We also know the majority of the perps are men because women haven't had positions of power until the last 30 years or so. I'm amazed at the attempt to justify/equate/conflate this issue. Especially from the female pov.
@MaudlynnA better place to start (instead of reading a NOVEL from a person's imagination and not factual information) might be a NONFICTION book on sexual harassment in the workplace. There are many available.
au contraire! the book was written after extensive undercover research of the treatment of immigrant families in the meatpacking industry in Chicago. it encompasses harassment in the workplace, dangerous working conditions, child labor, poverty and discrimination among that population. Thank goodness for regulations and labor unions, is all i can say.
@MaudlynnIt's still fiction. It doesn't chronicle what he saw after his "extensive undercover research." He wrote his version of what he saw. No doubt he did see some terrible things that have been ended by, as you say, regulations and labor unions. But as the book is fiction, we don't know what specifically what he saw.
12-16-2017 04:25 PM
12-16-2017 04:59 PM
@Sooner wrote:
@Goldengate8361 wrote:Girl power is great. More men need to be fired.
I think that is a terrible thing to say. To lable "men" is not right because there are a lot of wonderful men out there. And a lot of women who will do a lot of things to get to the top too.
It isn't a man or woman probelm; it is a problem of people who have no morals. Let's stop labeling people by race, gender, nationality, etc.
Just how many great men do you know? I'll bet a lot of them! They far outweigh the stinkers.
She didn't say ALL men. She said more men, which to me implies that more than have been in the past should be fired for their behavior. Nobody is labeling anyone since the ones who have been fired ARE in fact ALL men themselves. Period.
12-16-2017 05:12 PM
Good! Maybe now we will see less of him in his bermudas & orange Crocs!
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