Re: Knife Control

Isobel Archer · ‎04-04-2015

You wonder how far this will go. They receently arrested a homeowner for the stabbing death of a burglar. They now are dropping the charges - although there may be a civil trial. In this case it was a screwdriver - which actually belonged to the burglar who attacked the homeowner and got the worst of it.

But the very fact that they arrested the homeowner originally - and now will allow a civil proceeding against him - really makes you wonder what rights people can expect to exercise at all. Apparently even clear self defense in your own home is subject to question.

SahmIam · ‎04-16-2010

@Isobel Archer This happens in the US as well.

The UK does not have a great reputation for protecting the rights of the homeowner or the people, in many cases, when violence occurs. As time goes on, it will be interesting if their laws, policies and attitudes change.

Isobel Archer · ‎04-04-2015

@SahmIam

Yes, in the U.S. - can you imagine if the homeowner had shot the burglar attacking him with a screwdriver. The uproar and outrage that would ensue. Even tho - clearly - a screwdriver can be a deadly weapon, the use of a gun against it would be seen as a crime against humanity or something.

YorkieonmyPillow · ‎01-13-2013

Closing the barn door after the horse has already escaped.

SahmIam · ‎04-16-2010

@Isobel Archer Very true.

What it comes down to is intent. If you shoot or hit someone showing that their body was positioned away from you, the prosecutor can/will argue that they were running away and not a threat. Oh really? In my personal experience, the person was turning to pick up something with intent to kill, so an action took place before that could happen. It's that broad-stroking that causes situations like this to arise as well as the question:

Does a person have the right to defend, if not kill, someone who has entered their home WITHOUT invite?

If you come into my house at night, while I'm sleeping, via a broken back door and window...it's pretty safe to say that you were NOT invited and you're NOT there for a tea party. That said, if I do something to that person, I can be the one going to jail.

Often, the law has nothing to do with common sense. That is where people get in trouble when they think XYZ should happen in a situation. Guess what? You're wrong. Scary stuff.

Maggie Nolia · ‎03-09-2010

But he hasn't banned vehicles. Go figure.

David slew Goliath with a rock.

esmeraldagooch · ‎03-10-2010

@Isobel Archer wrote:
Due to the increasing number of stabbings in London, they are cracking down on knives.

NO home deliveries of knives are allowed. Police can now stop and search anyone they believe may be carrying a knife.

London's mayor Khan tweeted: "No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught and they will feel the full force of the law."

Interestingly Khan previously stopped stop and frisk activities as he deemed them "racist" and "Islamophobic."

Parliament is being asked to consider harsh knife laws - including prohibiting all online sales of knives.

This is in response to an increase in murders in London - which now surpasses those in New York City

First guns - now knives. What will be next?

In the same article I read, Acid was now restricted also.

QueenDanceALot · ‎04-18-2013

@SahmIam wrote:
If you want or need sharp knives, you drive to a store and buy them. People did this all the time before online ordering so, no big deal.

Steak knives are not found in public eateries. Scissors are not found in schools, btw. There is a movement to bring back "dangerous play" at schools and playgrounds (climbing trees, building with planks and bricks, etc) to counteract all the safety measures the UK took over the years.

Bottom line: if a person wants to harm someone, they WILL find a way. Anything can be made into a deadly object with the intent to harm. Anything.

I was just wondering how I could make my cat's spongey soccer ball toys (as I was just tossing him several) into deadly objects.

I don't think I could. And my toothbrush which I just used, nope, not that either.

So, no, not anything. And that's just 2 items I came in contact with in the past 20 minutes.

QueenDanceALot · ‎04-18-2013

NYC doesn't even have one of the highest murder rates in the country, so comparing London's murder rate to NYC isn't really the OMG that some people would like to think.

NYC doesn't even show up in the top 30 currently.

Tyak · ‎01-26-2013

@Isobel Archer wrote:
Due to the increasing number of stabbings in London, they are cracking down on knives.

NO home deliveries of knives are allowed. Police can now stop and search anyone they believe may be carrying a knife.

London's mayor Khan tweeted: "No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught and they will feel the full force of the law."

Interestingly Khan previously stopped stop and frisk activities as he deemed them "racist" and "Islamophobic."

Parliament is being asked to consider harsh knife laws - including prohibiting all online sales of knives.

This is in response to an increase in murders in London - which now surpasses those in New York City

First guns - now knives. What will be next?

The fool mayor's next target might have to be forks, they can do damage, too.