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[Say Nay]

That is weird @Juniebugz. It makes no sense. I guess posting links are sort of hit and miss around here. 

[jubilant]

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@ms traditional wrote:

Do not stand idly by...........Leviticus 19:16 .    Silence is complicity.

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*********** I am not Catholic but have always held respect for the Pope.  This Pope seems to make broad remarks that could be interpreted many different ways.  I certainly hope that he realizes we need to stand up against evil. Even Jesus disciples carried swords.  I am giving him the benefit of the doubt.  Surely he doesn't mean we should set idly by and do nothing.  If that would be the case I would most certainly disagree.

[esmeraldagooch]

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@jubilant wrote:

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@ms traditional wrote:

Do not stand idly by...........Leviticus 19:16 .    Silence is complicity.

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*********** I am not Catholic but have always held respect for the Pope.  This Pope seems to make broad remarks that could be interpreted many different ways.  I certainly hope that he realizes we need to stand up against evil. Even Jesus disciples carried swords.  I am giving him the benefit of the doubt.  Surely he doesn't mean we should set idly by and do nothing.  If that would be the case I would most certainly disagree.

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They may be in negotiations to pay ransom for his release.  Too bad the past kidnapping victims didn't fare well.  As for the release of the information of his death by Cardinal Schonborn at the Easter Mass, that  is one big error.

[adoreqvc]

I pray there are survivors, and also pray that God rests their precious souls if there were none.

For everyone there is a judgement day!

Those responsible for this horrific senseless murder tragedy, and loss of very precious innocent lives, will certainly meet their maker.

"They will be expecting to enter Paradise, but to their shock that will not be where they will rest eternally".

[AngusandBuddhasMom]

On Holy Thursday our Priest took the opportunity to speak of the Nuns. He told us how he had, had he chance to have spoken to a friend of one of the slain Nuns who also was in the Mother Teresa order. She  told him while they were all devastated by their murder they had reached their true place with G-d. And that they would still be sending replacements and would continue to do so no matter how many times a tragedy tried to stop them. That is a testament to true selfless sacrifice. 

I have faith in our Pope and believe he is trying his best to do what G-d expects of him. It is not my place to doubt his faith.

[jubilant]

 In his Encyclical Letter from 1995, EVANGELIUM VITAE, Pope John Paul II writes:

"......Christian reflection has sought a fuller and deeper understanding of what God's commandment prohibits and prescribes. There are in fact situations in which values proposed by God's Law seem to involve a genuine paradox. This happens for example in the case of legitimate defense, in which the right to protect one's own life and the duty not to harm someone else's life are difficult to reconcile in practice. Certainly, the intrinsic value of life and the duty to love oneself no less than others are the basis of a true right to self-defense."

He goes on to say:

"...legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for someone responsible for another's life, the common good of the family or of the State. Unfortunately, it happens that the need to render the aggressor incapable of causing harm sometimes involves taking his life. In this case, the fatal outcome is attributable to the aggressor whose actions brought it about, even though he may not be morally responsible because of a lack of the use of reason."

[AngusandBuddhasMom]

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@jubilant wrote:

 In his Encyclical Letter from 1995, EVANGELIUM VITAE, Pope John Paul II writes:

"......Christian reflection has sought a fuller and deeper understanding of what God's commandment prohibits and prescribes. There are in fact situations in which values proposed by God's Law seem to involve a genuine paradox. This happens for example in the case of legitimate defense, in which the right to protect one's own life and the duty not to harm someone else's life are difficult to reconcile in practice. Certainly, the intrinsic value of life and the duty to love oneself no less than others are the basis of a true right to self-defense."

He goes on to say:

"...legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for someone responsible for another's life, the common good of the family or of the State. Unfortunately, it happens that the need to render the aggressor incapable of causing harm sometimes involves taking his life. In this case, the fatal outcome is attributable to the aggressor whose actions brought it about, even though he may not be morally responsible because of a lack of the use of reason."

 OK  that is the writings of Pope John Paul not Pope Francis what is the point you are trying to make becuase while I am sure Pope Francis respects the prior thoughts  of Pope John Paul. He has his own mind and thoughts on the subject.

[jubilant]

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@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:

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@jubilant wrote:

 In his Encyclical Letter from 1995, EVANGELIUM VITAE, Pope John Paul II writes:

"......Christian reflection has sought a fuller and deeper understanding of what God's commandment prohibits and prescribes. There are in fact situations in which values proposed by God's Law seem to involve a genuine paradox. This happens for example in the case of legitimate defense, in which the right to protect one's own life and the duty not to harm someone else's life are difficult to reconcile in practice. Certainly, the intrinsic value of life and the duty to love oneself no less than others are the basis of a true right to self-defense."

He goes on to say:

"...legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for someone responsible for another's life, the common good of the family or of the State. Unfortunately, it happens that the need to render the aggressor incapable of causing harm sometimes involves taking his life. In this case, the fatal outcome is attributable to the aggressor whose actions brought it about, even though he may not be morally responsible because of a lack of the use of reason."

 OK  that is the writings of Pope John Paul not Pope Francis what is the point you are trying to make becuase while I am sure Pope Francis respects the prior thoughts  of Pope John Paul. He has his own mind and thoughts on the subject.

I edited this to add to it:

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************  Of course he has a right to his own mind and thoughts.  I just liked John Paul better.  I truely didn't mean to offend you.  I have quite a few Catholic friends and aquaintances and I can say this without offending them.  In my own faith, there are pastors I like better than others.  I guess I offended you and I am sorry that I did. I will move on. No hard feelings I hope.

[AngusandBuddhasMom]

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@jubilant wrote:

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@AngusandBuddhasMom wrote:

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@jubilant wrote:

 In his Encyclical Letter from 1995, EVANGELIUM VITAE, Pope John Paul II writes:

"......Christian reflection has sought a fuller and deeper understanding of what God's commandment prohibits and prescribes. There are in fact situations in which values proposed by God's Law seem to involve a genuine paradox. This happens for example in the case of legitimate defense, in which the right to protect one's own life and the duty not to harm someone else's life are difficult to reconcile in practice. Certainly, the intrinsic value of life and the duty to love oneself no less than others are the basis of a true right to self-defense."

He goes on to say:

"...legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for someone responsible for another's life, the common good of the family or of the State. Unfortunately, it happens that the need to render the aggressor incapable of causing harm sometimes involves taking his life. In this case, the fatal outcome is attributable to the aggressor whose actions brought it about, even though he may not be morally responsible because of a lack of the use of reason."

 OK  that is the writings of Pope John Paul not Pope Francis what is the point you are trying to make becuase while I am sure Pope Francis respects the prior thoughts  of Pope John Paul. He has his own mind and thoughts on the subject.

I edited this to add to it:

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************  Of course he has a right to his own mind and thoughts.  I just liked John Paul better.  I truely didn't mean to offend you.  I have quite a few Catholic friends and aquaintances and I can say this without offending them.  In my own faith, there are pastors I like better than others.  I guess I offended you and I am sorry that I did. I will move on. No hard feelings I hope.

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I am not offended I am just trying to understand why you posted what a prior Pope wrote as his understanding of this topic. When a new Pope comes into the position he will have his own way of interpreting things. Knowing what hardship and struggle he has lived through I think will of course color his thoughts and how he thinks. We may not like everything that he thinks. I have been upset with different things he has said or done dealing with certain Middle Eastern Countries but I have learned to look at the big picture and see he is a man of G-d first and foremost and so I have reconciled with what he says and does. I was raised with 2 religions and so I am always grappling with it. No hard feelings.