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Re: It's a different world

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@Mominohio wrote:

@gmkb wrote:

One of the local reporters was being interviewed here yesterday and he mentioned that he had visited that club in the past.  He said security checks bags and wands people throughout the evening, but at 2 a.m. they do not because most people are leaving rather than arriving.  

Obviously the killer knew that based on the time he arrived.

I'm sure that policy will change.  Sad sad world we are living in now.


 

 

That is part of what I was alluding to. People are going to need to be more aware of the security of the venues they frequent, and demand more when they think it necessary. Business has been impacted since 9/11 with security upgrades and concerns, but I think we have only seen the tip of the iceberg where that is concerned. More and more people are going to start demanding (as they should) better security before they pay for an experience or visit to a business. 


Most business have some type of security systems. Most larger business have cameras everywhere. Most larger cities have video of their major streets and area.

This is a very sad situation a lone sick shooter. My prays go out to all people who are touched by this tragedy.

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@sparklestar wrote:

It's too late.  The damage is already done and probably will continue.  Now innocent people suffer.  Our freedom to protect ourselfs has been taken away.  I feel like we've been thrown to the wolves.


What exactly are you talking about? Please explain

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@Nuttmeg wrote:
Most business have some type of security systems. Most larger business have cameras everywhere. Most larger cities have video of their major streets and area.

Unless someone is actively watching those cameras, what good do they do?  

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Last summer while visiting NYC, I was sitting on a bench at the 9/11 memorial waiting for my traveling companions.  A young man of about 25 was sitting there also with a backpack at his feet.  He suddenly got up and walked away, I spotted security, told them about the backpack.  Out of nowhere several security appeared and began making a decision about the bag.  Meanwhile they were questioning me about his appearance.

 

Suddenly I saw the young man walking quickly toward the bench, I alerted the guards, they questioned him, looked in the bag and sent him on his way.  He was innocent, just forgot the bag and suddenly realized it was not with him.  But it made me realize how vigilant we must be and not be afraid to report suspicious events.

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The change has been just so upsetting to me, we as a nation are so divided on so many issues.

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@gmkb wrote:

One of the local reporters was being interviewed here yesterday and he mentioned that he had visited that club in the past.  He said security checks bags and wands people throughout the evening, but at 2 a.m. they do not because most people are leaving rather than arriving.  

Obviously the killer knew that based on the time he arrived.

I'm sure that policy will change.  Sad sad world we are living in now.


@gmkb

Thanks for this info.  I was wondering how he got in with his weapons.

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@Mominohio wrote:

@gmkb wrote:

One of the local reporters was being interviewed here yesterday and he mentioned that he had visited that club in the past.  He said security checks bags and wands people throughout the evening, but at 2 a.m. they do not because most people are leaving rather than arriving.  

Obviously the killer knew that based on the time he arrived.

I'm sure that policy will change.  Sad sad world we are living in now.


 

 

That is part of what I was alluding to. People are going to need to be more aware of the security of the venues they frequent, and demand more when they think it necessary. Business has been impacted since 9/11 with security upgrades and concerns, but I think we have only seen the tip of the iceberg where that is concerned. More and more people are going to start demanding (as they should) better security before they pay for an experience or visit to a business. 


If you live in NY/NJ this has been like this since 9/11

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Re: It's a different world

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The only difference that really bothered me in this whole story was his employer.  If I understand his job correctly, he was licensed to carry and worked for the place since 2007.  That means he was interviewed by the FBI twice during that time at the complaint of his coworkers who I assume are also employed by the same company.  How do you keep someone on payroll that other employees who work side by side with him have turned into the FBI because they feel something is really off with him?  Not once but twice.

 

It is a very different world when a company would rather protect themselves from a wrongful termination lawsuit than err on the side of caution and pull out the "relationship is no longer mutually beneficial" forms and send him on his way.  I think they would be justified after the FBI's second visit especially when you are handing your employees security clearances and weapons.   Common sense needs to become more common again and employers need to pay attention to their employees and not just their bottom lines.         

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@IamMrsG wrote:

Although this pertains to the Republican National Convention coming up in a month, this is not a political comment and please do not take it 'there.'

 

I don’t know how well it is known nationwide, but the police departments of several cities have withdrawn partnering with Cleveland during the convention. They have said the city is not ready to host the event and are not willing to jeopardize their own officers' lives.  

 

Cleveland is currently 1,000 police officers short of the stated need for security just for the convention, so how will they be able to “protect and defend” its citizenry at the same time?


 

@IamMrsG

 

Being from Ohio, I have indeed heard this as well. And it is rather sobering to think that they are not ready. I understand outside police forces that don't want to be a part of something they don't feel is up to par, as they will be risking their officers. But it seems that in light of this weekend's events, and the volatility of this election cycle, no one city could probably provide all the police protection needed and would be relying on help from outside. They have some weeks to get ready, let's hope they pull it together.

 

And yet another piece of information that people who would be going to the convention for work, business, pleasure etc. need to be aware of and considering when planning their time in the area in general, during that event.

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@Laura14 wrote:

The only difference that really bothered me in this whole story was his employer.  If I understand his job correctly, he was licensed to carry and worked for the place since 2007.  That means he was interviewed by the FBI twice during that time at the complaint of his coworkers who I assume are also employed by the same company.  How do you keep someone on payroll that other employees who work side by side with him have turned into the FBI because they feel something is really off with him?  Not once but twice.

 

It is a very different world when a company would rather protect themselves from a wrongful termination lawsuit than err on the side of caution and pull out the "relationship is no longer mutually beneficial" forms and send him on his way.  I think they would be justified after the FBI's second visit especially when you are handing your employees security clearances and weapons.   Common sense needs to become more common again and employers need to pay attention to their employees and not just their bottom lines.         


The bigger question, to me, is why this man, who had been visited by the FBI because of his radical claims, was allowed to legally purchase an AR-15 and a handgun (plus the ammunition to go with it)?

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