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[SugarNSpice]

On 3/31/2014 NoelSeven said:

I think it was SugarNSpice who said she didn't believe all lives were equally important. Someone correct me if I'm remembering wrong.

I have to say I agree. For sure, I don't see the life of that monster Richard Allen Davis, killer of 12 year old Polly Klaas, as valuable as most other people.

ITA, Noel!

I'm sorry but not every life has equal value. It may start out that way when we are born, but it's not the same as we grow and become an adult. The choices we make have rewards and consequences.

A serial killer is not equal to a person who is protecting our country or community (Military / Fireman / Police)

A p3dophil3 is not equal to a teacher or professor

A person who kills or slaughters animals for fun or sport is not equal to a judge

A person who r@p3s and/or tortures people or animals is not equal to your every day good Samaritan.

No, not every life is equal when it's all said and done.

[SoX]

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[SydneyH]

On 3/31/2014 NoelSeven said:

I think it was SugarNSpice who said she didn't believe all lives were equally important. Someone correct me if I'm remembering wrong.

I have to say I agree. For sure, I don't see the life of that monster Richard Allen Davis, killer of 12 year old Polly Klaas, as valuable as most other people.

While I understand this, I do believe in redemption. You can have people that have committed serious crimes that can turn their life around, meanwhile you can have people who have not committed crimes, but have an evil agenda, some in high powered positions.

[Irshgrl31201]

On 3/31/2014 SoX said:

On 3/31/2014 Irshgrl31201 said:

On 3/31/2014 SoX said:

On 3/29/2014 Lila Belle said:

What is the name of the study done in NC, Irishgrl ?

I'd like to know this, too ... especially the parameters applied to white non-high school graduates vs. black college graduates in the infant mortality study. I find this very hard to believe.

SOrry I just saw this. It was the Pregnancy Infection and Nutrition Study. It was managed at UNC Chapel Hill.

I did a cursory review of the major phases of the PIN Study, including prenatal and postpartum components; as well as the population characteristics of the participants. No where could I find any mention of the educational level of these women.

I would have to go through and look for you but it is there. This article from Urban Institute also says it. Urban Institute is a non partisan Washington DC based American Think Tank that carries out economic and social policy research, collects data, evaluates social programs, educates the public on key domestic issues and provides advice and technical assistance to developing governments abroad.

It is the 4th paragraph down. They are citing research done from this study and the New England Journal of Medicine.

http://blog.metrotrends.org/2013/08/fifty-years-infant-mortality-fallen-black-white-gaps-remain-hig...

[SoX]

I did find one such study, but it mentions the over representation of African American women ... 43 percent vs 21 percent white. African Americans had lower educational attainment. The refusal of college educated blacks to participate was also noted.

My point is, studies can be skewed to produce any number of statistics. I was correct in questioning your broad statement ... it's just not true, given the above information.

[Irshgrl31201]

That was not the PIN study.

[Irshgrl31201]

On 3/31/2014 SoX said:

I did find one such study, but it mentions the over representation of African American women ... 43 percent vs 21 percent white. African Americans had lower educational attainment. The refusal of college educated blacks to participate was also noted.

My point is, studies can be skewed to produce any number of statistics. I was correct in questioning your broad statement ... it's just not true, given the above information.

I also agree that studies can be skewed but to say it isn't true is just incorrect. It was true in the study and they continue to search for the reasons that cause this. I would rather realize that black women in general (regardless of education) absolutely do have a higher infant mortality rate and find out why, wouldn't you? To not acknowledge it and find out why is just ignorant.

[SoX]

Poverty, Education and Race and Pregnancy Outcome ... David A. Savitz, Ph.D., Jay S. Kaufman, Ph.D., et al; University of North Carolina

If you don't have a significant number of college educated African American women participating, the statement is worthless ... I guess I should add: in my opinion.

[Lila Belle]

On 3/31/2014 Irshgrl31201 said:

On 3/31/2014 SoX said:

On 3/31/2014 Irshgrl31201 said:

On 3/31/2014 SoX said:

On 3/29/2014 Lila Belle said:

What is the name of the study done in NC, Irishgrl ?

I'd like to know this, too ... especially the parameters applied to white non-high school graduates vs. black college graduates in the infant mortality study. I find this very hard to believe.

SOrry I just saw this. It was the Pregnancy Infection and Nutrition Study. It was managed at UNC Chapel Hill.

I did a cursory review of the major phases of the PIN Study, including prenatal and postpartum components; as well as the population characteristics of the participants. No where could I find any mention of the educational level of these women.

I would have to go through and look for you but it is there. This article from Urban Institute also says it. Urban Institute is a non partisan Washington DC based American Think Tank that carries out economic and social policy research, collects data, evaluates social programs, educates the public on key domestic issues and provides advice and technical assistance to developing governments abroad.

It is the 4th paragraph down. They are citing research done from this study and the New England Journal of Medicine.

http://blog.metrotrends.org/2013/08/fifty-years-infant-mortality-fallen-black-white-gaps-remain-hig...

I understand your concern about this research and it's implications.

Good luck.

[Irshgrl31201]

On 3/31/2014 SoX said:

Poverty, Education and Race and Pregnancy Outcome ... David A. Savitz, Ph.D., Jay S. Kaufman, Ph.D., et al; University of North Carolina

If you don't have a significant number of college educated African American women participating, the results of that statement is indeed worthless.

I would agree with that but it seems other institutions also regard the study as worthwhile because they site it as well. Why would a non partisan group that was formerly lead by the head of the Congressional Budget Office try to mislead the public. They work on urban issues and try to solve them. You are being ridiculous now. You are wrong. You doubted any study existed when indeed it did and was done by a fine LIBERAL institution that has a great reputation. You just don't like what it says. Sorry.