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[pdlinda]

@qualitygal @Kachina624   Agreed!  Speaking for myself, I could not survive in a sane state without UPS delivering my multiple Amazon deliveries on an almost daily basis.  Here in AZ  they somehow brave the unbearable heat to get those packages delivered on time.

That the salary also includes benefits and a pension plan, I don't find the amount excessive.

[GenXmuse]

I'm thinking my husband or I need that job. 

[pdlinda]

@ThinkingOutLoud   

Most definitely, FOOD FOR THOUGHTJ!!

I have no objection whatsoever to prospective college applicants going the "trade route" to acquire a life-long income stream and a middle-class lifestyle.

The life for college grads, including those with professional degrees MAY leave a LOT TO BE DESIRED (and that would include repayment of student loans).

[Kachina624]

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@Malcontent wrote:

@Kachina624 

I read that the 170k annually comes with a [mandatory] 5 year contract and

you will get the worst routes and the worst hours.

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@Malcontent.  I don't see how that's  possible since all drivers will have the same contract.

[NYCLatinaMe]

@granddi  You make an important point.  The growing discrepancy in income between top management and the average worker is staggering.

In 1989, the ratio of CEO-to-typical-worker compensation was 59-to-1.  In 2021, it was 399-to-1.

According to Forbes, which relies on a Pew study, between 1970 and 2021, the share of U.S. aggregate income earned by the middle class shrunk from 62% to just 42%. At the same time, the aggregate earnings of high income earners increased from 29% to 50% of aggregate income. This despite the fact that the those in the high income category are less than half the number of those considered middle class in the U.S..  The number of low income earners has also been increasing.

So in 2021, 21% of the people were considered hign income, and they earned 50% of the income.  Fifty percent of the people are middle income earners, and they earn collectively 42% of the income, down from 62%.  Twenty-nine percent of the people are considered low income, and they earn 8% of the income.  In 1970, 25% of earners were low income, earning 10% of the income.

So middle and low income earners now earn propotionaly less than what they earned in 1970, while 21% of the people earn 50% of the income.

And while middle and low income people have seen their share of the U.S. income reduced, the share of the income received by high income earners has almost doubled.

[Malcontent]

@Kachina624 

That’s just what I read. The newly contracted (no experience drivers) will get the caca routes/hours. Also the article said that they will be spending a lot of time too in the depot at first sorting packages ect.

[bikerbabe]

This is from an NPR article:

"When Luigi Morris reports to the UPS distribution center in Canarsie, Brooklyn at 4 a.m., packages are already overflowing off the conveyor belt.

Morris, a part-time warehouse worker, spends his three-and-a-half hour shift loading heavy items — bed frames, car tires, air conditioning units — on trucks for delivery across New York City. He's typically expected to load a minimum of four trucks with 300 packages each.

"My hands hurt, my knees hurt, my back hurts," Morris said. "And we only have a ten-minute break."

Morris earns $16.60 per hour — up from $15.50 when he was hired last year.”

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My comment:

Under the new contract, Morris will get $21/hr.

Not exactly rolling in money.

[NYCLatinaMe]

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@GenXmuse wrote:

I'm thinking my husband or I need that job. 

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https://www.jobs-ups.com/search-jobs

[Trailrun23]

They were threatening to strike and that would have been a real mess....and management knows it. UPS has long been the highest-paying company for package delivery services. I had a friend in grad school whose husband was a UPS driver. She drove a jaguar convertible so guess he was doing pretty well. Anytime a big salary or benefit boost happens, the consumer pays for it.

[Cakers3]

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@Kachina624 wrote:

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@Cakers3 wrote:

I believe that will reach that amount over a 5 year span when this new contract runs out.

Included in the figure are health benefits and pension contributions.

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@Cakers3. That's not the way it's  being described in news reports.

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@Kachina624   I do not know your source but upthread another poster outlined the details expanding on what I said. I didn't post all the details but the issue is clear online.

Check it out.🙂