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[cody2]

1/29/2015 Lucibee said: Cody, I was thinking the same thing when I read that post.

[NoelSeven]

On 1/29/2015 cody2 said:

On 1/28/2015 occasional rain said:

On 1/27/2015 cody2 said:

When I was a very young girl, a loooonnnng time ago, I was taught that if I went to confession on Saturday and confessed all my sins that I remembered I would be forgiven. I can remember trying really, really hard to forget if I had told a lie or coveted my best friends new toy. Then I would go to confession and omit those sins. In my heart, and in His eyes I was still lying and I knew it. So did He.

It is pretty simple to me. A lie is a lie is a lie no matter how one chooses to spin it.

This isn't about a religious confession where it's expected that the person will tell all, it's about real life where everyone has a right, maybe even a duty, to keep personal information personal.

MY posts are about whatever I choose them to be. YOU should just worry about YOURS.

[NoelSeven]

On 1/28/2015 qualitygal said:

On 1/27/2015 Ilikeshade said:

Lying by omission is lying, imo. It's deception whether it's the spoken word or the deliberate withholding of the facts.

Yeah.

So if I ask you for your address and you don't tell me, you're lying?

Sorry, but I don't agree.

The concept of lying isn't as black and white as some people think it is.

[cody2]

Hey there Noel. Nice to see you out and about. I hope you are feeling better.

Part of my downfall is that I am such a literal person. To me, a lie with good intent is still a lie. Omission of the truth to protect someone or oneself is still a lie.

Don't misunderstand...I am as guilty of those kind of lies as anyone. I suppose that I think there are probably good lies and bad ones. But all lies nonetheless. I guess it is just my good, old Catholic boarding school self talking.

[esmeraldagooch]

If I told you the unemployment rate is 5.6% but don't tell you 92.5 million adults are not working or quit looking ...... the omission paints a different picture.

[NoelSeven]

On 1/29/2015 cody2 said:

Hey there Noel. Nice to see you out and about. I hope you are feeling better.

Part of my downfall is that I am such a literal person. To me, a lie with good intent is still a lie. Omission of the truth to protect someone or oneself is still a lie.

Don't misunderstand...I am as guilty of those kind of lies as anyone. I suppose that I think there are probably good lies and bad ones. But all lies nonetheless. I guess it is just my good, old Catholic boarding school self talking.

Hi Cody,

I love a good philosophical discussion for the sake of exchanging ideas, not fighting

For me, using the word "lie" is automatically a negative thing, and yet there are so many times we do what others would call a "lie" and there's nothing negative about it.

I can remember when my mother was sick and I was taking care of her. I never told her that I was sick, also, but in a different way. I didn't want her to worry about me because it would cause her great stress, and stress makes people even more sick.

Lupus groups talk all the time about not telling family and friends how bad they really feel, for various reasons.

Just two examples, but I don't consider any of them lies.

[NoelSeven]

Number one is how I define a lie. But then again, I don't think all intent to deceive is a bad thing. Example: Mom: "How do you feel today?" Me: "Just fine, now let me clean that up for you."

Lie

noun

1.

a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

Synonyms: prevarication, falsification.

Antonyms: truth.

2.

something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture:

His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.

3.

an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.

4.

the charge or accusation of telling a lie:

He flung the lie back at his accusers.

[cody2]

On 1/29/2015 NoelSeven said:

On 1/29/2015 cody2 said:

Hey there Noel. Nice to see you out and about. I hope you are feeling better.

Part of my downfall is that I am such a literal person. To me, a lie with good intent is still a lie. Omission of the truth to protect someone or oneself is still a lie.

Don't misunderstand...I am as guilty of those kind of lies as anyone. I suppose that I think there are probably good lies and bad ones. But all lies nonetheless. I guess it is just my good, old Catholic boarding school self talking.

Hi Cody,

I love a good philosophical discussion for the sake of exchanging ideas, not fighting

For me, using the word "lie" is automatically a negative thing, and yet there are so many times we do what others would call a "lie" and there's nothing negative about it.

I can remember when my mother was sick and I was taking care of her. I never told her that I was sick, also, but in a different way. I didn't want her to worry about me because it would cause her great stress, and stress makes people even more sick.

Lupus groups talk all the time about not telling family and friends how bad they really feel, for various reasons.

Just two examples, but I don't consider any of them lies.

I understand what you are saying, completely. I find this subject and the replies to be a very interesting topic. The exchange of opinions is a good thing. I am in no way intending to put any one else's opinions down. Many things in life are all about intent with me. The intent to protect someone we love is a valid reason to omit the truth sometimes.

[NoelSeven]

On 1/29/2015 cody2 said:

On 1/29/2015 NoelSeven said:

On 1/29/2015 cody2 said:

Hey there Noel. Nice to see you out and about. I hope you are feeling better.

Part of my downfall is that I am such a literal person. To me, a lie with good intent is still a lie. Omission of the truth to protect someone or oneself is still a lie.

Don't misunderstand...I am as guilty of those kind of lies as anyone. I suppose that I think there are probably good lies and bad ones. But all lies nonetheless. I guess it is just my good, old Catholic boarding school self talking.

Hi Cody,

I love a good philosophical discussion for the sake of exchanging ideas, not fighting

For me, using the word "lie" is automatically a negative thing, and yet there are so many times we do what others would call a "lie" and there's nothing negative about it.

I can remember when my mother was sick and I was taking care of her. I never told her that I was sick, also, but in a different way. I didn't want her to worry about me because it would cause her great stress, and stress makes people even more sick.

Lupus groups talk all the time about not telling family and friends how bad they really feel, for various reasons.

Just two examples, but I don't consider any of them lies.

I understand what you are saying, completely. I find this subject and the replies to be a very interesting topic. The exchange of opinions is a good thing. I am in no way intending to put any one else's opinions down. Many things in life are all about intent with me. The intent to protect someone we love is a valid reason to omit the truth sometimes.

I know you well enough to know that, which is why I always like talking to you about anything

BTW, when I grew up in SF it was a Catholic town. Most people I knew were RC, including my mother who took me to mass with her. She later converted to being Protestant, though. Hail Mary was the first thing I ever memorized.

I mention that to let you know I understand what you were saying in an earlier post. I also know about lies of omission and commission

[Catitude]

I went out with a man a long time ago who said he was a widower. True, but he also was married shortly after his wife died and then she divorced him. He never mentioned he married after losing his wife yet he called himself a widower, I call him a liar.