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[mstyrion 1]

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@SydneyH wrote:

The NFL is the current target of some, they conveniently bypass the injury stats of soccer.  It's kinda funny imo.

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I'm not aware--have they studied brain injuries in soccer like those incurred in football have been?  Are there some examples of the aftermath of severe and cumulative brain damage going on with aging soccer players?   Do they keep track of hip, knee and shoulder replacements done on soccer players?  

I would be interested in seeing the stats on these things that you seem to be referring to.

[Northray]

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@chrystaltree wrote:

I never thought about it and I honestly don't care.  The players choose to play, they are very well paid and they certainly know the risks.  So, I don't see an issue.

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And another reason they choose to play is because they simply, LOVE THE GAME.  They love to play Football.  Both brothers played Football, so I was surrounded by Football for a long time.  One dropped out during training because he just didn't think it was worth the trouble and injury (that's how they weed out the glory hogs, as one Coach put it - they want the glory but don't want to work for it).  The other brother lived, breathed and ate Football.  He loved playing the game and would do anything to play - injury - in his words "scheeze, badge of honor".  They go through training and hell becuase they think it's worth it, they are playing their one true love, Football and if they get paid big bucks - well, for them, nothing could be sweeter in life then to play a game you love and get paid to do it.  To me it's crazy but then I don't love playing anything that much.   

[Drythe]

I am glad to see that the NFL is showing SOME interest in head injuries and personal fouls.

While perfectly understanding the contact sport, injury correlation , I think the game can be played well while minimizing brain injuries.

[tedEbear]

  My GD started playing sports at 5yr old. First grandchild, we had 2 boys, played every sport.  My GD started with soccer, lost her first baby tooth on the field. What a pain looking for that. We found it!!!!  At 5 she also started softball, that ended up her sport, for the next 18yrs.  At 9 as catcher, full mask, chest ,legs, etc covered up,  she was hit in the neck and that caused a short period of Bell's Palsey.  Never slowed down, she loved it all.  Her grades never suffered and she earned herself a 4yr scholarship.  Now she is a teacher------------tedEbear

[terrier3]

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@chrystaltree wrote:

I never thought about it and I honestly don't care.  The players choose to play, they are very well paid and they certainly know the risks.  So, I don't see an issue.

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The point is that they DON'T know the risks.

And the league has even hired Frank Lutz to come up with phrases and "comments" to downplay the risks...literally one of the premiere "spinmeisters" in the USA.

[terrier3]

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@INDIANA BONES wrote:

As far as I have been informed, that is the main reason for the high salaries for the players.  They risk injuries every game.  Their career span is much shorter than other careers.   I was fortunate in growing up in an area that many Redskin players lived (many years ago) and they did not make the money the players make in today's time.

100 percent is not a shock at all to me.  Look up Cam Newton's salary (one of the highest paid in the league) and it is surreal.  

What amazes me is the number of great athletics that commit crimes and ruin these dream careers they worked so hard for.  

I would like to know if commercials pay for some of the salaries?   Does anyone know the percentage teams get of commercial sales?  

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TV rights are the #1 source of income for the league - not the fans in the stands. It's in the billions of dollars. It is close to 12 BILLION a year. About half goes to player salaries...the NFL commissioner makes over 40 million a year in salary.

The teams don't need to actually sell the commercials themselves - they sell the rights to broadcast the games to their partners, who assume the risk (and sell commercials to offset their rights fees). There are 64 :30 commercials (minimum) in each game - I worked in both radio & television sales and know that we had to get top dollar for every commercial! Playoff games have more commercials than that - it's not your imagination that the games seem to go on FOREVER.

[mstyrion 1]

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@tedEbear wrote:

  My GD started playing sports at 5yr old. First grandchild, we had 2 boys, played every sport.  My GD started with soccer, lost her first baby tooth on the field. What a pain looking for that. We found it!!!!  At 5 she also started softball, that ended up her sport, for the next 18yrs.  At 9 as catcher, full mask, chest ,legs, etc covered up,  she was hit in the neck and that caused a short period of Bell's Palsey.  Never slowed down, she loved it all.  Her grades never suffered and she earned herself a 4yr scholarship.  Now she is a teacher------------tedEbear

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I am shocked you seem so blase about this story. I think it's horrifying that her parents let her keep playing after an injury that left her with even a short period of Bell's Palsy. At 9 years old.  I'm sorry. I find that appalling.

[Northray]

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@terrier3 wrote:

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@chrystaltree wrote:

I never thought about it and I honestly don't care.  The players choose to play, they are very well paid and they certainly know the risks.  So, I don't see an issue.

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The point is that they DON'T know the risks.

And the league has even hired Frank Lutz to come up with phrases and "comments" to downplay the risks...literally one of the premiere "spinmeisters" in the USA.

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@terrier3 wrote:

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@chrystaltree wrote:

I never thought about it and I honestly don't care.  The players choose to play, they are very well paid and they certainly know the risks.  So, I don't see an issue.

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The point is that they DON'T know the risks.

And the league has even hired Frank Lutz to come up with phrases and "comments" to downplay the risks...literally one of the premiere "spinmeisters" in the USA.

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But they do know the risk.  For some the "risk" is part of the fun.  Sorta like jumping out of a plane.  Football players are adrenaline junkies.  And defensive line coaches tell their players such things as, "if you don't get hurt then you are not playing hard enough".  Getting hurt is part of the game to these guys.  They absolutely know the risk.  My brothers knew the risk, one said no to it, the other said bring it on.  If they are hiring someone to down play the risk it's for the audience's benefit, becuase there is just no way as a player you can not know the risk.  And if by some chance you live in a bubble and you didn't know the risk going in, as soon as you start training, you'll find out and then you can quit if the risk is to high for you.  

[mstyrion 1]

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@Northray wrote:

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@terrier3 wrote:

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@chrystaltree wrote:

I never thought about it and I honestly don't care.  The players choose to play, they are very well paid and they certainly know the risks.  So, I don't see an issue.

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The point is that they DON'T know the risks.

And the league has even hired Frank Lutz to come up with phrases and "comments" to downplay the risks...literally one of the premiere "spinmeisters" in the USA.

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@terrier3 wrote:

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@chrystaltree wrote:

I never thought about it and I honestly don't care.  The players choose to play, they are very well paid and they certainly know the risks.  So, I don't see an issue.

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The point is that they DON'T know the risks.

And the league has even hired Frank Lutz to come up with phrases and "comments" to downplay the risks...literally one of the premiere "spinmeisters" in the USA.

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But they do know the risk.  For some the "risk" is part of the fun.  Sorta like jumping out of a plane.  Football players are adrenaline junkies.  And defensive line coaches tell their players such things as, "if you don't get hurt then you are not playing hard enough".  Getting hurt is part of the game to these guys.  They absolutely know the risk.  My brothers knew the risk, one said no to it, the other said bring it on.  If they are hiring someone to down play the risk it's for the audience's benefit, becuase there is just no way as a player you can not know the risk.  And if by some chance you live in a bubble and you didn't know the risk going in, as soon as you start training, you'll find out and then you can quit if the risk is to high for you.  

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I agree they knew the risk of a high probability of an injury.  What terrier is talking about is the risk of long-term brain damage.  I don't believe any of the players in the past knew that was going to happen to them. 

I read a study indicating 87 of 91 deceased payers tested positive for CTE (chronic traumatic encephalopathy).  That's a chilling statistic. 

[Northray]

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@mstyrion 1 wrote:

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@Northray wrote:

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@terrier3 wrote:

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@chrystaltree wrote:

I never thought about it and I honestly don't care.  The players choose to play, they are very well paid and they certainly know the risks.  So, I don't see an issue.

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The point is that they DON'T know the risks.

And the league has even hired Frank Lutz to come up with phrases and "comments" to downplay the risks...literally one of the premiere "spinmeisters" in the USA.

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@terrier3 wrote:

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@chrystaltree wrote:

I never thought about it and I honestly don't care.  The players choose to play, they are very well paid and they certainly know the risks.  So, I don't see an issue.

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The point is that they DON'T know the risks.

And the league has even hired Frank Lutz to come up with phrases and "comments" to downplay the risks...literally one of the premiere "spinmeisters" in the USA.

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But they do know the risk.  For some the "risk" is part of the fun.  Sorta like jumping out of a plane.  Football players are adrenaline junkies.  And defensive line coaches tell their players such things as, "if you don't get hurt then you are not playing hard enough".  Getting hurt is part of the game to these guys.  They absolutely know the risk.  My brothers knew the risk, one said no to it, the other said bring it on.  If they are hiring someone to down play the risk it's for the audience's benefit, becuase there is just no way as a player you can not know the risk.  And if by some chance you live in a bubble and you didn't know the risk going in, as soon as you start training, you'll find out and then you can quit if the risk is to high for you.  

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I agree they knew the risk of a high probability of an injury.  What terrier is talking about is the risk of long-term brain damage.  I don't believe any of the players in the past knew that was going to happen to them. 

I read a study indicating 87 of 91 deceased payers tested positive for CTE (chronic traumatic encephalopathy).  That's a chilling statistic. 

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My mother, who did not want my brothers playing Football lobbied this point at my father  (who was all for it irregardless- I suppose it's a man thing).  And I guess it's some crazy right of passage or just plain denial that knowing you can get concussions and brain damage is not enough to dissuade young men from playing Football.