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[croemer]

On 8/23/2014 terrier3 said:

On 8/23/2014 croemer said:

On 8/23/2014 terrier3 said:

We are ALL going to die from something....life IS terminal!

You can eat twigs and berries....run 10 miles a day, lift weights and drink only pure unfiltered mountain water...and you STILL may get cancer...or heart disease...or diabetes...or ALS.

My mom was a 2+ pack a day smoker. She survived 3 kinds of cancer (NOT lung cancer) and finally died from high blood pressure at 76. Stuff happens...why lecture other people?

Let's all do the best we can to help those in need...and stop acting superior. Even Jim Fix, the famous runner who ate low fat "pure food" died from a massive heart attack while running. And he's not the only one!

Is this towards me terrier?

No, I am agreeing with you...I'm ditto with your answer to the other poster.

[kittymomNC]

On 8/23/2014 croemer said:

On 8/23/2014 terrier3 said:

On 8/23/2014 croemer said:

On 8/23/2014 terrier3 said:

We are ALL going to die from something....life IS terminal!

You can eat twigs and berries....run 10 miles a day, lift weights and drink only pure unfiltered mountain water...and you STILL may get cancer...or heart disease...or diabetes...or ALS.

My mom was a 2+ pack a day smoker. She survived 3 kinds of cancer (NOT lung cancer) and finally died from high blood pressure at 76. Stuff happens...why lecture other people?

Let's all do the best we can to help those in need...and stop acting superior. Even Jim Fix, the famous runner who ate low fat "pure food" died from a massive heart attack while running. And he's not the only one!

Is this towards me terrier?

No, I am agreeing with you...I'm ditto with your answer to the other poster.

Ya'll are so much calmer than I was on this -- I sorta lost it in my post to sidsmom...but some things just hit me a lot harder than others, I guess.

[scotttie]

On 8/23/2014 terrier3 said:

On 8/23/2014 croemer said:

sidsmom, I mean no disrespect but... I really do not understand how you have no sympathy for a smoker who began smoking before it was known how bad it is for you. I lost my stepfather to prostate/lung cancer. He began smoking way before we were educated of the terrible effects of smoking. I have sympathy for ANYONE dying of lung cancer. Truth be told...we are all dying and I would bet most died because of some choices they made whether it be eating wrong, drinking, smoking etc.

Now a-days we have plenty of information out there about smoking and the consequences...I would still feel sympathy for those who die of such a terrible disease. I have a young daughter now who has picked up the habit. I lecture her from time to time...not sure it will do any good at this point but I will be heart broken if she is ever diagnosed...

We are ALL going to die from something....life IS terminal!

You can eat twigs and berries....run 10 miles a day, lift weights and drink only pure unfiltered mountain water...and you STILL may get cancer...or heart disease...or diabetes...or ALS.

My mom was a 2+ pack a day smoker. She survived 3 kinds of cancer (NOT lung cancer) and finally died from high blood pressure at 76. Stuff happens...why lecture other people?

Let's all do the best we can to help those in need...and stop acting superior. Even Jim Fix, the famous runner who ate low fat "pure food" died from a massive heart attack while running. And he's not the only one!

Thank you

[scotttie]

On 8/23/2014 kittymomNC said:

On 8/23/2014 croemer said:

On 8/23/2014 terrier3 said:

On 8/23/2014 croemer said:

On 8/23/2014 terrier3 said:

We are ALL going to die from something....life IS terminal!

You can eat twigs and berries....run 10 miles a day, lift weights and drink only pure unfiltered mountain water...and you STILL may get cancer...or heart disease...or diabetes...or ALS.

My mom was a 2+ pack a day smoker. She survived 3 kinds of cancer (NOT lung cancer) and finally died from high blood pressure at 76. Stuff happens...why lecture other people?

Let's all do the best we can to help those in need...and stop acting superior. Even Jim Fix, the famous runner who ate low fat "pure food" died from a massive heart attack while running. And he's not the only one!

Is this towards me terrier?

No, I am agreeing with you...I'm ditto with your answer to the other poster.

Ya'll are so much calmer than I was on this -- I sorta lost it in my post to sidsmom...but some things just hit me a lot harder than others, I guess.

ditto. Especially when someone intimates that my mother deserved the suffering death she had.

[sidsmom]

Lung cancer from years of smoking is a long death. A painful death. A death hurting people around you. The massive heart attack while running a marathon is different....it's quick.

The quote ""we're all gonna die of sumthin'"" is bullish. It's a QUALITY of life for you...and the people around you that will most likely take care of you during your last long years of life. To continue to perpetuate the self-induced death (ie smoking)...is just that...selfish. It's one thing if you 'fall down that rabbit hole'...but don't drag me down with you. Don't ruin my life if you want to ruin yours.

[terrier3]

On 8/23/2014 sidsmom said:

Lung cancer from years of smoking is a long death. A painful death. A death hurting people around you. The massive heart attack while running a marathon is different....it's quick.

The quote "we're all gonna die of sumthin'" is bullish. It's a QUALITY of life for you...and the people around you that will most likely take care of you during your last long years of life. To continue to perpetuate the self-induced death (ie smoking)...is just that...selfish. It's one thing if you 'fall down that rabbit hole'...but don't drag me down with you. Don't ruin my life if you want to ruin yours.

You aren't guaranteed a quick, painless death if you eat plants, eat low fat and exercise.

My cousin died from ALS. It wasn't quick at all. It was physically and emotionally wrenching.

My mom smoked 2+ packs a day...a filthy addiction - but when she died from kidney failure brought on by high blood pressure, she was 5 feet tall, weighed 100 pounds, was solid muscle and had a strong heart and LUNGS.

People who exercise and eat clean also get cancer, including lung cancer (Dana Reeves was a famous example), diabetes, blood clots leading to strokes...all of the same diseases "unhealthy" people may get - just by being human.

[TheKingsMistress]

So let's all be obese, not exercise, smoke, eat cold cuts, beef, preservatives and artificial sweeteners, drink heavily (linked to breast cancer btw) and give up taking care of ourselves since hey what the heckk where are all gonna die from somethin'. When it's a FACT that all of those habits are linked to diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol and cancer to name a few.

[NoelSeven]

On 8/23/2014 kittymomNC said:

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Ya'll are so much calmer than I was on this -- I sorta lost it in my post to sidsmom...but some things just hit me a lot harder than others, I guess.

Your response is totally understandable. Don't worry about it.

[tansy]

My dad started smoking when he was a pilot during WWII. He managed to quit when his brother died in his early 40s of lung cancer, so he was smoke-free for decades. He survived prostate and colon cancer but not lung cancer.

[kittymomNC]

On 8/23/2014 sidsmom said:

Lung cancer from years of smoking is a long death. A painful death. A death hurting people around you. The massive heart attack while running a marathon is different....it's quick.

The quote "we're all gonna die of sumthin'" is bullish. It's a QUALITY of life for you...and the people around you that will most likely take care of you during your last long years of life. To continue to perpetuate the self-induced death (ie smoking)...is just that...selfish. It's one thing if you 'fall down that rabbit hole'...but don't drag me down with you. Don't ruin my life if you want to ruin yours.

I had intended to apologize for being as strident as I was in my other post in response to what you said. But apparently you still don't have a clue. Maybe some people don't have anyone who will be able to take care of them during their "last long years of life", no matter the cause of their death.

Some people have more strength than others, about many things...it's not a matter of being "selfish". Some can do what they know they should, and some just don't have the strength, for whatever the reason. To even insinuate that they deserve to die because they lack that strength is a sad thing to do. There are obese people who are going to die because they don't have the strength to lose weight. There are people who will die of heart disease, like my dad at age 56...maybe it will be genetic, but maybe it will be because they continued to eat fatty foods, not exercise, etc.--and maybe, just maybe, all these people would really like to be different and have the strength to live a healthy life...but the fact is, some just don't.

It's not necessarily their fault...I've seen some of it, I've lived some of it...and none of us are perfect. I've been there when someone has cried because they couldn't quit smoking and knew they should, I've been there when someone has cried because they desperately wanted to lose weight, I've seen someone cry and BEG a doctor to be put in a hospital to quit drinking alcohol and be told "you're not sick, you're just a drunk"!

And I'm crying now because there are so many people out there like you who still just don't have a clue....