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Marienkaefer2 · ‎03-09-2010

On 10/15/2014 Sushismom said:
On 10/15/2014 GrettaGarbled said:
I think most of us understand that the responsibility to implement the protocols recommended by the CDC lies with the individual hospitals. However, there are media outlets who are banging on the CDC director to resign (for what reason, I have no idea). So you're hearing that talking point being carried back here.

Unfortunately, I'd have to disagree about the most of us part. If this board is any indication of how the public thinks, then many aren't aware of the CDC's scope of power.

I've asked how the director has been dishonest with us; haven't yet had a reply.

I agree. I would say "a few of us" understand.

If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need.--Marcus Tullius Cicero

Marienkaefer2 · ‎03-09-2010

On 10/15/2014 Jeremiah 2911 said:
On 10/15/2014 GrettaGarbled said:
On 10/15/2014 Marienkaefer2 said:
On 10/15/2014 Sushismom said:
On 10/15/2014 imaclotheshog said:
I don't think this is a problem of Dallas' at all.....rather it is a problem in that the CDC has not implemented procedures at hospitals all over the country, with strict instructions and guidelines that must be followed for all possible Ebola cases.

It's not the hospital's fault that the CDC didn't inform them and have enough guidelines in place, to help them deal with the Ebola guy that walked in the ER.

All this is on the CDC. They should have had guidelines in place a long time ago, so hospitals were READY for something like this.

The CDC did issue warnings and a 6-page "checklist" on Ebola before Duncan was ever treated. They cannot force a hospital to abide by these warnings or checklist. That is beyond their scope of power.

I was thinking the same thing. The CDC is not the direct overseer of hospitals. Hospitals do not report to the CDC like in a chain of command. Hospitals are run by all kinds of entities, for profit and not for profit. I'm sure that Ebola was considered to be a such a remote possibility Therefore, why spend the money to prepare for something that had a low likelihood of occurring? I think that may have been the reasoning there. So the CDC could issue all the warnings and directives it wanted. It's up to hospital administrators to also do their part in implementation.

I think most of us understand that the responsibility to implement the protocols recommended by the CDC lies with the individual hospitals. However, there are media outlets who are banging on the CDC director to resign (for what reason, I have no idea). So you're hearing that talking point being carried back here.

Even if all of American hospitals implement the protocols proposed by the CDC, I believe that our health care workers are still at risk for contracting Ebola from an Ebola infected patient.

This is my opinion based on my research about how Ebola is spread in a clinical setting:

The CDC protocols for healthcare workers are not strong enough to protect our healthcare workers from contracting the Ebola virus.

Health care workers ( In America) who are caring for Ebola patients need more training but they also need to be wearing full body Tychem suits. Their head, necks, ears, all need to be completely covered. Arm and leg openings need to be taped and they need respirators to protect them from any type of aerosol dispersed while performing medical procedures.

Of course they are. I don't think anyone believes there is NO RISK to anyone. But minimizing the risk should be the goal.

If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need.--Marcus Tullius Cicero

Sushismom · ‎03-09-2010

On 10/15/2014 Jeremiah 2911 said:
Even if all of American hospitals implement the protocols proposed by the CDC, I believe that our health care workers are still at risk for contracting Ebola from an Ebola infected patient.

This is my opinion based on my research about how Ebola is spread in a clinical setting:

The CDC protocols for healthcare workers are not strong enough to protect our healthcare workers from contracting the Ebola virus.

Health care workers ( In America) who are caring for Ebola patients need more training but they also need to be wearing full body Tychem suits. Their head, necks, ears, all need to be completely covered. Arm and leg openings need to be taped and they need respirators to protect them from any type of aerosol dispersed while performing medical procedures.

Even with positive pressure suits such as those used in Biosafety Level 4 labs, human error occurs. Nothing can prevent that.

It's been shown in the previous Ebola outbreaks in Africa that protective gear can and does lower infection in healthcare workers. But, again, nothing can prevent human error.

NoelSeven · ‎03-09-2010

On 10/15/2014 Marienkaefer2 said:
On 10/15/2014 Sushismom said:
On 10/15/2014 GrettaGarbled said:
I think most of us understand that the responsibility to implement the protocols recommended by the CDC lies with the individual hospitals. However, there are media outlets who are banging on the CDC director to resign (for what reason, I have no idea). So you're hearing that talking point being carried back here.

Unfortunately, I'd have to disagree about the most of us part. If this board is any indication of how the public thinks, then many aren't aware of the CDC's scope of power.

I've asked how the director has been dishonest with us; haven't yet had a reply.

I agree. I would say "a few of us" understand.

I agree, too. IMO any logical discussion is drowned out by various attempts to encourage anger and extreme emotion. Several threads have been like witch hunts.

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terrier3 · ‎03-10-2010

On 10/15/2014 NoelSeven said:
On 10/15/2014 Marienkaefer2 said:
On 10/15/2014 Sushismom said:
On 10/15/2014 GrettaGarbled said:
I think most of us understand that the responsibility to implement the protocols recommended by the CDC lies with the individual hospitals. However, there are media outlets who are banging on the CDC director to resign (for what reason, I have no idea). So you're hearing that talking point being carried back here.

Unfortunately, I'd have to disagree about the most of us part. If this board is any indication of how the public thinks, then many aren't aware of the CDC's scope of power.

I've asked how the director has been dishonest with us; haven't yet had a reply.

I agree. I would say "a few of us" understand.

I agree, too. IMO any logical discussion is drowned out by various attempts to encourage anger and extreme emotion. Several threads have been like witch hunts.

It never ends.

I DO blame the powers that be for not more clearly explaining the role of the CDC and other organizations. Without reminding people - on a daily basis, if necessary - the anger and blaming will just increase.

It's poor communications to just assume that everyone knows the agencies various responsibilities and scope.

bikerbabe · ‎03-09-2010

Sadly there is a lot of good that can come from this mess. one day there will be a pandemic with a deadly airborne virus. If there is one positive in all of this it's that ebola is not airborne. But it makes it glaringly clear that we are not prepared as a nation.

wildcherry · ‎03-09-2010

I feel for all the healthcare workers in this country right now. It can't be easy to go to work each day not knowing what the heck to expect next. This is going to be an ongoing learning, trial and error experience for the medical community in general. I just hope there won't be too many lives lost in the process.

terrier3 · ‎03-10-2010

On 10/15/2014 wildcherry said:
I feel for all the healthcare workers in this country right now. It can't be easy to go to work each day not knowing what the heck to expect next. This is going to be an ongoing learning, trial and error experience for the medical community in general. I just hope there won't be too many lives lost in the process.

There are many infectious diseases that are life threatening. Ebola is just the latest of many.

Health care workers put their lives and health on the line every day.

I agree that the only way to develop best practices is ongoing modification and updates. But it's the same for all illnesses.

sidsmom · ‎11-25-2011

On 10/15/2014 NoelSeven said:
On 10/15/2014 Marienkaefer2 said:
On 10/15/2014 Sushismom said:
On 10/15/2014 GrettaGarbled said:
I think most of us understand that the responsibility to implement the protocols recommended by the CDC lies with the individual hospitals. However, there are media outlets who are banging on the CDC director to resign (for what reason, I have no idea). So you're hearing that talking point being carried back here.

Unfortunately, I'd have to disagree about the most of us part. If this board is any indication of how the public thinks, then many aren't aware of the CDC's scope of power.

I've asked how the director has been dishonest with us; haven't yet had a reply.

I agree. I would say "a few of us" understand.

I agree, too. IMO any logical discussion is drowned out by various attempts to encourage anger and extreme emotion. Several threads have been like witch hunts.

I've been pretty much on the sidelines since this started. Up until this morning, I've been willing to let this play out. BUT when a healthcare worker that was part of Duncan's care team got on a commercial flight less than a week after his death? Yeah, I'm gonna get emotional. REAL emotional. Man...that really made me mad when I heard that nurse did something that irresponsible. She needs to be held responsible for her actions. Might be too soon to say that, but....she should be removed from her profession. Just no excuse.

No matter how many initials are after your name or 000's on your paycheck, this situation boils down to the weakest link. That nurse, when she got on an airplane w/ 130 people was..and still is...the weakest link. Just shameful on her part.