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[sidsmom]

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@Irshgrl31201 wrote:

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@sidsmom wrote:

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@Irshgrl31201 wrote:

So much processed junk and soda in the one in America. This is so sad to me. We are literally kiling ourselves with sugar. 

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It's really not sugar, but....'no fiber' and/or 'high fat'.

In the US picture, there's very little all-sugar food...some juices,

but it's the processed food, which people lump into 'sugar'.

Processed food is demonized for no fiber and/or high fat,

not because of the 'sugar.'   Until people see that distinction,

it will continue to get worse. 

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No we are killing ourselves with sugar. Sugar is the #1 reason for heart disease now in our country. Processed food is many times laden with sugar, even for savory items. 

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....and those items are usually lower in fiber, higher in fat & are animal products/byproducts.  Yes, sugar reduction is important, but in the big picture, it's not the issue.   That's why all these paleo/primal/keto/low carb diets are keeping people sick.

The Rice Diet (Duke), eating nothing but white rice, fruit & white sugar, was foundational in proving once the fat & animal is eliminated, patient's heart disease was all but a thing of the past.  Yes, Dr. Walter Kempner was controversial in nature, but that doesn't negate the importance of his work. 

[QueenDanceALot]

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@sidsmom wrote:

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@QueenDanceALot wrote:

For all the criticism the family from North Carolina is taking on this thread I just had to say that for all the not healthy food they've got on display they don't look to be obese or pitiful.

There are obese people in the photos of some of the families with the healthy food and the low $$ expenditure.

P.S.  This post in no way suggest that eating this way is a good thing, but the NC family just doesn't look the way you might assume a family would look who eats all that stuff.

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@QueenDanceALot

True.

That's why it's confusing to the Public when someone has a heart attack,

but 'looks healthy.'  Only strengthens the fact people need to eat 

the right food.  Doesn't matter if you're thin/obese, if you're

cardiovascular system is compromised, you're still in bad health...

flexing at the gym & wearing skinny jeans...but you're still not healthy.

Heart Disease, diabetes, autoimmune issues, obesity doesn't happen

overnight.  From the looks of the NC family, they're on that path of

bad health for those young kids.  

And you don't have to be 600lb to be in bad health.

Let's all reference Bob Harper, Biggest Loser Trainer,

who had a heart attack at 51 while 'looking healthy.'

It's all about consuming the right food.

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I'm not confused.  

Fact is that just the situation of BEING obese increases the likelihood of many diseases, irrespective of diet.

Which ISN'T to say that a good diet isn't helpful and important.

You don't know why Bob Harper had a heart attack.  You don't know that it was all about what he ate.  You just seem to be making an assumption. You also are making assumptions about the health outcomes of the NC family with only seeing what they eat. 

[itiswhatitis]

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@QueenDanceALot wrote:

For all the criticism the family from North Carolina is taking on this thread I just had to say that for all the not healthy food they've got on display they don't look to be obese or pitiful.

There are obese people in the photos of some of the families with the healthy food and the low $$ expenditure.

P.S.  This post in no way suggest that eating this way is a good thing, but the NC family just doesn't look the way you might assume a family would look who eats all that stuff.

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Actually, I didn't see any obese individuals in any of the photos.  I don't think this is about obesity so much as what is available for people to eat.  

[QueenDanceALot]

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@itiswhatitis wrote:

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@QueenDanceALot wrote:

For all the criticism the family from North Carolina is taking on this thread I just had to say that for all the not healthy food they've got on display they don't look to be obese or pitiful.

There are obese people in the photos of some of the families with the healthy food and the low $$ expenditure.

P.S.  This post in no way suggest that eating this way is a good thing, but the NC family just doesn't look the way you might assume a family would look who eats all that stuff.

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Actually, I didn't see any obese individuals in any of the photos.  I don't think this is about obesity so much as what is available for people to eat.  

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I do see some obese people, but you're right, the original post wasn't about obesity.

[Irshgrl31201]

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@sidsmom wrote:

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@Irshgrl31201 wrote:

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@sidsmom wrote:

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@Irshgrl31201 wrote:

So much processed junk and soda in the one in America. This is so sad to me. We are literally kiling ourselves with sugar. 

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It's really not sugar, but....'no fiber' and/or 'high fat'.

In the US picture, there's very little all-sugar food...some juices,

but it's the processed food, which people lump into 'sugar'.

Processed food is demonized for no fiber and/or high fat,

not because of the 'sugar.'   Until people see that distinction,

it will continue to get worse. 

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No we are killing ourselves with sugar. Sugar is the #1 reason for heart disease now in our country. Processed food is many times laden with sugar, even for savory items. 

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....and those items are usually lower in fiber, higher in fat & are animal products/byproducts.  Yes, sugar reduction is important, but in the big picture, it's not the issue.   That's why all these paleo/primal/keto/low carb diets are keeping people sick.

The Rice Diet (Duke), eating nothing but white rice, fruit & white sugar, was foundational in proving once the fat & animal is eliminated, patient's heart disease was all but a thing of the past.  Yes, Dr. Walter Kempner was controversial in nature, but that doesn't negate the importance of his work. 

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In the big picture it very much is the issue. I think that you think I have an issue with a plant based diet and I really don't. I would say most of my diet is fruit and veg but you and I differ when the word fat is mentioned. You don't see the importance of good fats and they are very important not only heart health but physical and mental health. That is a fact. Foods rich is poly and monounsaturated fat improve cholesteral levels. 

[Spurt]

Here is the full link with a lot more photos......

http://menzelphoto.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Hungry-Planet-Family-Food-Portraits/G0000zmgWvU6Si...

And many of the European Countries, Canada, Austrailia, western cultures also have processed food But I dont think its fair to show 2 families and say this is how everyone in that country eats.....My mom is shaking her head from heaven looking at the groceries from the so called western cultures when she spent so much time in effort on balanced nurtrition.fresh healthy foods.....

A lot of people just dont want to take the time and effort to prepare a healthy meal from scratch using fresh ingredients w/o preservatives with fresh fruits/vegtables etc...sadly its a change in society to the fast and easy....but probably more health issues in the future because of processed foods with hidden sugars, chemical preservatives etc etc

I think its kinda funny that even in photos with healthier food....gotta have that soft drink......(you wont see me drinking that qwap!)
 

[Spurt]

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@Irshgrl31201 wrote:

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@sidsmom wrote:

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@Irshgrl31201 wrote:

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@sidsmom wrote:

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@Irshgrl31201 wrote:

So much processed junk and soda in the one in America. This is so sad to me. We are literally kiling ourselves with sugar. 

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It's really not sugar, but....'no fiber' and/or 'high fat'.

In the US picture, there's very little all-sugar food...some juices,

but it's the processed food, which people lump into 'sugar'.

Processed food is demonized for no fiber and/or high fat,

not because of the 'sugar.'   Until people see that distinction,

it will continue to get worse. 

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No we are killing ourselves with sugar. Sugar is the #1 reason for heart disease now in our country. Processed food is many times laden with sugar, even for savory items. 

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....and those items are usually lower in fiber, higher in fat & are animal products/byproducts.  Yes, sugar reduction is important, but in the big picture, it's not the issue.   That's why all these paleo/primal/keto/low carb diets are keeping people sick.

The Rice Diet (Duke), eating nothing but white rice, fruit & white sugar, was foundational in proving once the fat & animal is eliminated, patient's heart disease was all but a thing of the past.  Yes, Dr. Walter Kempner was controversial in nature, but that doesn't negate the importance of his work. 

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In the big picture it very much is the issue. I think that you think I have an issue with a plant based diet and I really don't. I would say most of my diet is fruit and veg but you and I differ when the word fat is mentioned. You don't see the importance of good fats and they are very important not only heart health but physical and mental health. That is a fact. Foods rich is poly and monounsaturated fat improve cholesteral levels. 

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@sidsmom@Irshgrl31201

Most recent studies are saying sugar is the bigger culprit rather than fat---there are good fats you need....doctors are now saying sugar is more of a risk factor to heart disease than high cholesteral. More and more doctors are speaking out on this........

[Irshgrl31201]

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@Spurt wrote:

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@Irshgrl31201 wrote:

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@sidsmom wrote:

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@Irshgrl31201 wrote:

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@sidsmom wrote:

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@Irshgrl31201 wrote:

So much processed junk and soda in the one in America. This is so sad to me. We are literally kiling ourselves with sugar. 

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It's really not sugar, but....'no fiber' and/or 'high fat'.

In the US picture, there's very little all-sugar food...some juices,

but it's the processed food, which people lump into 'sugar'.

Processed food is demonized for no fiber and/or high fat,

not because of the 'sugar.'   Until people see that distinction,

it will continue to get worse. 

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No we are killing ourselves with sugar. Sugar is the #1 reason for heart disease now in our country. Processed food is many times laden with sugar, even for savory items. 

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....and those items are usually lower in fiber, higher in fat & are animal products/byproducts.  Yes, sugar reduction is important, but in the big picture, it's not the issue.   That's why all these paleo/primal/keto/low carb diets are keeping people sick.

The Rice Diet (Duke), eating nothing but white rice, fruit & white sugar, was foundational in proving once the fat & animal is eliminated, patient's heart disease was all but a thing of the past.  Yes, Dr. Walter Kempner was controversial in nature, but that doesn't negate the importance of his work. 

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In the big picture it very much is the issue. I think that you think I have an issue with a plant based diet and I really don't. I would say most of my diet is fruit and veg but you and I differ when the word fat is mentioned. You don't see the importance of good fats and they are very important not only heart health but physical and mental health. That is a fact. Foods rich is poly and monounsaturated fat improve cholesteral levels. 

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@sidsmom@Irshgrl31201

Most recent studies are saying sugar is the bigger culprit rather than fat---there are good fats you need....doctors are now saying sugar is more of a risk factor to heart disease than high cholesteral. More and more doctors are speaking out on this........

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Exactly @Spurt

[sidsmom]

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@Spurt wrote:

@sidsmom@Irshgrl31201

Most recent studies are saying sugar is the bigger culprit rather than fat---there are good fats you need....doctors are now saying sugar is more of a risk factor to heart disease than high cholesteral. More and more doctors are speaking out on this........

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Someone can reference all the recent studies they wish

(and one should question who sponsors or funds

these 'recent findings' for what financial gain),

but the fact is history, thoroughout millennia in all cultures

around the world, proves a low fat diet reigns supreme

for longevity & health....and more importantly for satiation & 

long-term weight control.  

Calorie Density.  It's a simple as that.

Fat are nutritionally 'expensive.'

Not a good dietary investment.

We only need 10-20% of our daily calories in fat...and most of that

can be obtained naturally with beans, greens, fruit, veg & starches. 

I want to eat as much food as I can for as little calories.

[Irshgrl31201]

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@Spurt wrote:

Here is the full link with a lot more photos......

http://menzelphoto.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/Hungry-Planet-Family-Food-Portraits/G0000zmgWvU6Si...

And many of the European Countries, Canada, Austrailia, western cultures also have processed food But I dont think its fair to show 2 families and say this is how everyone in that country eats.....My mom is shaking her head from heaven looking at the groceries from the so called western cultures when she spent so much time in effort on balanced nurtrition.fresh healthy foods.....

A lot of people just dont want to take the time and effort to prepare a healthy meal from scratch using fresh ingredients w/o preservatives with fresh fruits/vegtables etc...sadly its a change in society to the fast and easy....but probably more health issues in the future because of processed foods with hidden sugars, chemical preservatives etc etc

I think its kinda funny that even in photos with healthier food....gotta have that soft drink......(you wont see me drinking that qwap!)
 

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I totally agree with you @Spurt. I think that is what it comes down to more than anything. When I was starting out, I was at the poverty level, a single mom who worked a lot. I spent Sundays fixing our meals for the week and freezing them. I made lots of soups and stews with tons of veggies, lentils and other legumes. Instead of fresh fruit and veg, I bought frozen which I have read is actually higher in nutrients than fresh if it has been sitting around, it loses them every day. They were certainly cheaper. I shopped the sales and made  our menu around that. To say that poor people can't eat healthy is not factual. It is a choice. No, you can't buy tons of fresh veggies unless you get them on sale but you can buy frozen and incorporate rice, all types of beans and legumes which are good for you. I still shopped the perimeter of the store and didn't include processed foods in our diet. 

I have friends of all economic levels who eat way healthier than what is pictured but of course I do know there are people who don't eat healthy and eat a lot of processed.