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[Moonchilde]

On 11/1/2014 deepwaterdotter said:

On 11/1/2014 Lucky Charm said:

Someone intelligent is one who THINKS.

They THINK before their actions and act appropriately.

Someone intelligent is one who KNOWS.

They KNOW right from wrong and act accordingly.

Your post made me wonder, are "right" and "wrong" absolutes?

It sounds as if they are for LC. One sign of intelligence for me is a person who sees and acknowledges "shades of gray" rather than everything being only black or white. Someone who, as dooBdoo says, has an open mind that can be changed. If there are absolutes (and I would say there are), for most people it would be things like murder, child abuse, etc. For me, most things by far are subjective. My absolutes are few.

[ECBG]

As a former teacher, I can tell you that intelligence tests predict how well someone will do in school. States vary, but every child is measured every few years along with end of grade testing.

A person may be highly intelligent but never attends class so he doesn't "acquire an education". We see this all too often. A well known phrase is "They don't work to their potential". Sad.

[chessylady]

It's not my job to measure someone's intellegence. I'm working on making myself less judgmental. Intellegence must be coupled with a kind heart.

[Snik]

how can anyone judge others innate intelligence- One might be able to assess the ways that some people manifest their innate intelligence, but not always...

[jubilant]

On 11/1/2014 NoelSeven said:

On 11/1/2014 JuJu Squeezie said:

You can only judge what you can relate to and if you have a deficit how are going to judge anyone more intelligent?

A genius to you might not be to me and vice-versa.

Good points

I agree.

[NoelSeven]

On 11/1/2014 moonchilde said:

On 11/1/2014 NoelSeven said:

On 11/1/2014 moonchilde said:

Education and intelligence are not the same thing. A person can have an armload of degrees and have little or no "native smarts", which I suppose is another way of saying common sense. An intelligent person may or may not be highly educated. They may or may not be socially at ease or a great communicator. Many extremely intelligent people are on the autism spectrum somewhere, or extremely introverted, people-shy, etc. and have difficulty interacting with others. Although I agree that a sense of humor is usually a sign of intelligence to me, some very intelligent people on the autism spectrum have no sense of humor, or any human-relating "sense." My favorite people have common sense/street smarts, relate well to others, and have a good sense of humor. Some are highly educated and some barely have HS diplomas.

You put that very well I agree that education is not necessarily a factor, although it can be an indicator at times, and that some very intelligent people barely have a HS diploma.

Just think of all the people around the world who must be very intelligent but never have a chance to learn or express themselves because of poverty or just not having opportunities.

I'm glad you made the point about many very intelligent people being on the autism spectrum, I've often thought that about our math friend.

I also agree with your comments about humor.

Thanks, Noel :-) I really value people who have knowledge and skills in areas I never will - for example in hand crafting, agriculture, weather, and survival skills, many in third world countries where few get degrees of any kind. If I was plunked down in their environment, I probably wouldn't survive. But they may be ridiculed because they don't have indoor plumbing or can't read or write, through no fault of their own.

Hello moonchilde

When I was a pre-teen, I'd hear about the so-called coming end of the world and how we had to be prepared. I didn't really know what that meant, but I felt so definitely unprepared because I didn't know things like how electricity worked, so I wouldn't be able to replicate it. My point being that, like you, I admire those who do have survival skills and also know things like how to make electricity or preserve food, etc.

I really enjoy reading your posts, moonchilde. I like what you have to say

[jubilant]

Years ago they had a test to see how "bright" a person was. I don't think it had anything to do with the IQ tests. I have often wondered....exactly what is bright. .... Alert, aware, observant...all kind of similar. Does anyone here remember that test or know anything about it? I wonder if that was the one where you look at blobs or big ink blots??? Anyone know?

[Qwackertoo]

The ACT is more of an achievement test whereas the SAT is more of an aptitude test . .. but guess a common sense test isn't in the "market" . .. just known as LIFE.

I always wondered how they did the IQ tests for the 1st and 2nd graders and usually pretty accurate too . . . some blow it between then and their teens and waste their "gift" and others achieve much success and don't waste theirs.

Many nice posts on this thread.

I agree about the autism and especially the Aspergers aspect of it.

Or like how some people are great speakers, some better with smaller crowds, some medium and some very large . . . some people don't do well with public speaking at all, no matter the crowd size.

[jubilant]

I just looked up the ink blot tests and there is a debate (it looks like )whether or not that test is reliable. The guy who invented it was Herman something or other. This just brought back memories of a test I took once so I just looked it up. They have some fun tests to do if anyone is interested....just enter in ink blot tests. I just did. It was kind of fun if you like this kind of thing. I guess I am veering from the topic so I will stop here.

[Moonchilde]

On 11/1/2014 NoelSeven said:

On 11/1/2014 moonchilde said:

On 11/1/2014 NoelSeven said:

On 11/1/2014 moonchilde said:

Education and intelligence are not the same thing. A person can have an armload of degrees and have little or no "native smarts", which I suppose is another way of saying common sense. An intelligent person may or may not be highly educated. They may or may not be socially at ease or a great communicator. Many extremely intelligent people are on the autism spectrum somewhere, or extremely introverted, people-shy, etc. and have difficulty interacting with others. Although I agree that a sense of humor is usually a sign of intelligence to me, some very intelligent people on the autism spectrum have no sense of humor, or any human-relating "sense." My favorite people have common sense/street smarts, relate well to others, and have a good sense of humor. Some are highly educated and some barely have HS diplomas.

You put that very well I agree that education is not necessarily a factor, although it can be an indicator at times, and that some very intelligent people barely have a HS diploma.

Just think of all the people around the world who must be very intelligent but never have a chance to learn or express themselves because of poverty or just not having opportunities.

I'm glad you made the point about many very intelligent people being on the autism spectrum, I've often thought that about our math friend.

I also agree with your comments about humor.

Thanks, Noel :-) I really value people who have knowledge and skills in areas I never will - for example in hand crafting, agriculture, weather, and survival skills, many in third world countries where few get degrees of any kind. If I was plunked down in their environment, I probably wouldn't survive. But they may be ridiculed because they don't have indoor plumbing or can't read or write, through no fault of their own.

Hello moonchilde

When I was a pre-teen, I'd hear about the so-called coming end of the world and how we had to be prepared. I didn't really know what that meant, but I felt so definitely unprepared because I didn't know things like how electricity worked, so I wouldn't be able to replicate it. My point being that, like you, I admire those who do have survival skills and also know things like how to make electricity or preserve food, etc.

I really enjoy reading your posts, moonchilde. I like what you have to say

Thank you, Noel - your post means a lot to me. :-) I'm generally a person who believes in 'to each his own' as long as no one tries to tell me they have "the" only correct view, or that they are "right" and anyone who doesn't believe as they do are "wrong." We all have opinions, but each person's opinion is not "the" opinion. I get tetchy when people make hard and fast pronouncements as to truth, reality, "right", etc. That doesn't win friends on boards like these ;-)