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Re: Helping kids with food insecurity


@Drythe wrote:

@Sooner wrote:

@millieshops wrote:

@SoonerOn a guess, these foods are going to kids who are already on free or reduced priced lunches.  Where I taught, the teachers were not involved in making those decisions.  Various agencies in and out of the schools were.


@millieshops That's what I am talking about.  I think there should be some avenue for making sure that people who are in need get help.  And that those who don't qualify for help aren't stealing from them.  I think that is the responsibility of people to see that those who really need help get it. 


@Sooner 

 

What people?

Easy to say let someone (else) do it, but who?

 

Ask yourself, ‘If not me then who?’


@Drythe Agencies and organizations who assess need.  One of the things that upsets me most is people who scam the systems and steal from people who are really in need.  There is far too much of that going on now.  

 

Stealing from the poorest among us.  How low do you have to be? 

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Re: Helping kids with food insecurity

If there is a way to get the leftover food to those who need it, bravo. 

 

I agree, there is a LOT of food not consumed at the schools k-12. This is a huge problem i our county; I wonder if it's the same all over. I was at my sons school (6th grade) and had to go through the cafeteria just after they left and before 7th grade arrived. The amount of cafeteria food that was in the garbage cans UNEATEN was shocking. I mentioned this to the Assistant Principal and one of the Guidance Counselors and was told that the kids HATE the "healthy foods" that became the norm. Chocolate milk was replaced as was whole milk with either skim or 1%. The fruit was not fresh but in sickening sweet sugar jello stuff (won't go bad quickly). Everything basically tasted the same. I asked how they knew this and both said they had tried the food and was disgusted by it. 

 

It made sense then and there as my sons, who had always purchased lunch, had begun bringing their lunches that year. Since then, the number of students who purchase breakfast and lunch has stayed high ONLY for those who live at or below the poverty line. Otherwise, it's almost non-existent in my county now. In the schools that have little to no lower income students, a salad bar and milk are the only things offered as students bring in their own food. Overall, the savings to the BOE has been HUGE because it doesn't have to budget for food for all the schools; just those with a large subsidized breakfast and lunch need (a few schools and 99% are k-5).

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Re: Helping kids with food insecurity

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@reiki604  Please let us know where you got this information and proof of these accusations.

I worked in the system for over 30 years so I know!  No accusations - just reality!!

Also I might add that pamphlets were given out with very simple recipes and great suggestions on healthy and economical food prep but when given out they were left on the chairs or on the elevator.   The only ones that seemed to use them were the employees.

There also were many who told us that they have more than enough food to feed their families with SNAP so if they could so could most others!

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Re: Helping kids with food insecurity


@Sooner wrote:

@Drythe wrote:

@Sooner wrote:

@millieshops wrote:

@SoonerOn a guess, these foods are going to kids who are already on free or reduced priced lunches.  Where I taught, the teachers were not involved in making those decisions.  Various agencies in and out of the schools were.


@millieshops That's what I am talking about.  I think there should be some avenue for making sure that people who are in need get help.  And that those who don't qualify for help aren't stealing from them.  I think that is the responsibility of people to see that those who really need help get it. 


@Sooner 

 

What people?

Easy to say let someone (else) do it, but who?

 

Ask yourself, ‘If not me then who?’


@Drythe Agencies and organizations who assess need.  One of the things that upsets me most is people who scam the systems and steal from people who are really in need.  There is far too much of that going on now.  

 

Stealing from the poorest among us.  How low do you have to be? 


@Sooner 

 

 

Yes, I know all about Directors charging off grand family vacations, and approving outrageous office equipment, etc, on the public’s dime.

 

But, we are speaking of children here..

 

Each of us do as our hearts lead us, and in the end are accountable for what is in our hearts.

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Re: Helping kids with food insecurity

I am of mixed feelings and opinions on this subject.  My experience with caring about the down and out among us opened my eyes and changed my thinking about it.  Not to blow my own horn, but to explain the basis of my hesitancy, I share this bit of background: 
 
I have been a volunteer for an organization that collected donations from restaurants, grocery stores, banquet halls, pizza shops, bakeries, etc., then delivered them to homeless shelters. 
 
I have worked in soup kitchens, preparing, serving, and cleaning up afterwards for hundreds. Without question, the vast majority of the recipients of these meals were able bodied males of an average estimated age of 25-35, considerably younger than me.
 
I have ten years of experience working for two large church offices (800+ congregants).  
 
Here is some of what I’ve witnessed first-hand:
 
Recipients are generally savvy people who play the game better than those whose benevolent but naive intention is to help the poor.  They gladly accept the handouts, even ask for another to take back to their sick mother, then walk around the corner and barter them for drugs, alcohol and sex.   Believe me, it happens more often than you know.
 
There are those whose full-time job it is to take charity.  In the church office(s), there was a regular monthly routine when the phones would start ringing for money, supposedly for utility and rent bills.  We recognized their voices, knew their names, some even had scripts they recited so often we could mouth along with them.  Any one of them could have spent the same time and energy looking for work to support themselves and families, but canvassing for handouts somehow seemed more lucrative or appealing.
 
Food boxes, filled with food for a family of four for three days, dumped out onto the sidewalk because the contents weren’t what they wanted.  Believe it or not, at one church that offered dinner and overnight shelter to the homeless, one group balked at the menu and actually got on the church phone and ordered pizza for themselves!  
 
In all my time of volunteer work, I can honestly say that never, not once, did any recipient ever offer to help us or come back to reciprocate in some way, however small.  No one.  Ever. 
 
Even among the poor of this country, there is a strong sense of entitlement.  Folks have been conditioned to believe they are owed something.  There is a proverb (not biblical) that tells us, “Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.”  The underlying problem, however, is to get him to want to fish when it is ever so much easier if you’d just give him one of yours.  It has been repeatedly reported that there are employers across this country who are begging for workers, but cannot find reliable people willing to  work.  If you spend time talking with men and women whose job takes them inside the residences (most often, First Responders), they will tell you of the large screen televisions, the cable boxes, the iphones, lap tops, etc. that they see regularly.  
 
In this vein, I am concerned about the generation of children who are growing up being handed free goods, free food, free coats, free computers, even free cell phones.  What are we teaching them?  What kind of future do we expect for them or our nation?  If privileged children are handed everything, while earning none of it, we say it is to their detriment, that they’ll never have an appreciation for earning something.  How are poor children any different in that regard? Surely they are equally deserving of learning the same life lesson! 
 
There has been a piece in the news about a school that now has a washing machine on premise specifically for children who are coming to school in dirty clothes. We have a generation that has children they cannot support, either financially, physically or psychologically.  Do we think this younger generation has hope for a more productive future because they grew up getting free goods and services their parents, i.e., role models, failed to supply?
 
If you’ve read to this point, I am fairly sure you see me in a bad light.  Contrary to how it may seem, I truly am not hard-hearted or selfish. I am a Christian who believes in following Christ’s teachings; however, I also believe He believed there are consequences for bad choices.  If you’ve read my posts in the Recipes forum, you are familiar with my appreciation for the blessing of abundant food this country has.  I don’t want anyone to go hungry, and I fully acknowledge there are some who are truly in desperate need.  I just don’t believe we are applying the best policy to handle hunger or poverty in this country.  I also believe we need to incorporate a merit system, a means for earning, free goods.  Maybe these children could be required to establish a good attendance record, or earn better grades, before we send groceries home to their parents who are sitting there waiting for them.  There has to be a better way.
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Re: Helping kids with food insecurity

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I don't know what the answer is, but I don't think its kids going hungry.

I don't think they learn as well if they are hungry, and I'm glad there so many schools, (at least here) have breakfast programs also.

This whole thing just makes me so sad.

This is not in response to @IamMrsG. These are just my thoughts in general on this whole thing.

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Re: Helping kids with food insecurity

@IamMrsG, your post is interesting, and you have seen so much first hand, with your own eyes, obviously.

Bless you for helping. I am kind of surprised at some of the things you have seen, I would have thought there would be more young families with children, who were in need. I can't see my son, who is in that age group doing that, because he would be embarrassed.

 

We had neighbors who had the EBT card or food stamps several years ago. There were 7 kids. When they got the food stamps, they would cook out about every day. The 3 younger kids would come up to my house, and say they were having steak. They wouldn't want anything to eat.  After about two weeks of a lot of cooking out, the 3 kids would come up and they would be hungry. I didn't ask. I just fed them. And I'm tooting my own horn either, because honestly, some of it I did grudgingly. I still see the mom in town sometimes, years later. She still hugs me and tells me she loves me.

Life, sometimes there are no clear answers and we just have to do what we feel is right, I guess. The older I get the less I know.

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@Pook wrote:

@reiki604  Please let us know where you got this information and proof of these accusations.

I worked in the system for over 30 years so I know!  No accusations - just reality!!

Also I might add that pamphlets were given out with very simple recipes and great suggestions on healthy and economical food prep but when given out they were left on the chairs or on the elevator.   The only ones that seemed to use them were the employees.

There also were many who told us that they have more than enough food to feed their families with SNAP so if they could so could most others!


Oh........so it's just your opinion based on the small sample you saw in limited circumstances.without any idea if your opinions are fact or fiction. I have worked in areas where the local food stores did not carry fresh fruit or veggies. It all depends on your experiences. I also don't know how long ago you worked in this area you claim, but the current SNAP recipient receives $1.40 per day/person. Hardly a winfall.  I suppose you prefer to have food thrown away instead of a child who doesn't 'deserve' it get an extra banana or apple or have crippling rules and regulations over the disposition of that banana or apple governing it. Like I said previously, i  don't know how anyone can call themselves a pious individual and not give a child food with a full and giving heart.


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Re: Helping kids with food insecurity

@reiki604 I'm not sure where you got $1.40 per day per person but you might want to look at the SNAP eligibity charts!!  While there might be some who have near the maximum income limit who don't get that much, they usually are not the ones who neglect to feed their children properly.   

It's not a small sample that I speak of.  We had access to the overall statistics for the whole state as well as the entire country.  It makes me wonder where your info came from!!

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Re: Helping kids with food insecurity


@dex wrote:

@feline groovy @The problem is that some kids don’t care for the healthy food choices and that is why a lot of the food is left.I regularly come across fruit on the side of the road after the kids get out of school.I pick up some of it to feed to the goats I treat but they don’t seem to care for it either.The goats prefer baby cookies.


Maybe someone in the Kids home would enjoy the food.  I love this idea.