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Re: Helping kids with food insecurity


@IamMrsG wrote:
I am of mixed feelings and opinions on this subject.  My experience with caring about the down and out among us opened my eyes and changed my thinking about it.  Not to blow my own horn, but to explain the basis of my hesitancy, I share this bit of background: 
 
I have been a volunteer for an organization that collected donations from restaurants, grocery stores, banquet halls, pizza shops, bakeries, etc., then delivered them to homeless shelters. 
 
I have worked in soup kitchens, preparing, serving, and cleaning up afterwards for hundreds. Without question, the vast majority of the recipients of these meals were able bodied males of an average estimated age of 25-35, considerably younger than me.
 
I have ten years of experience working for two large church offices (800+ congregants).  
 
Here is some of what I’ve witnessed first-hand:
 
Recipients are generally savvy people who play the game better than those whose benevolent but naive intention is to help the poor.  They gladly accept the handouts, even ask for another to take back to their sick mother, then walk around the corner and barter them for drugs, alcohol and sex.   Believe me, it happens more often than you know.
 
There are those whose full-time job it is to take charity.  In the church office(s), there was a regular monthly routine when the phones would start ringing for money, supposedly for utility and rent bills.  We recognized their voices, knew their names, some even had scripts they recited so often we could mouth along with them.  Any one of them could have spent the same time and energy looking for work to support themselves and families, but canvassing for handouts somehow seemed more lucrative or appealing.
 
Food boxes, filled with food for a family of four for three days, dumped out onto the sidewalk because the contents weren’t what they wanted.  Believe it or not, at one church that offered dinner and overnight shelter to the homeless, one group balked at the menu and actually got on the church phone and ordered pizza for themselves!  
 
In all my time of volunteer work, I can honestly say that never, not once, did any recipient ever offer to help us or come back to reciprocate in some way, however small.  No one.  Ever. 
 
Even among the poor of this country, there is a strong sense of entitlement.  Folks have been conditioned to believe they are owed something.  There is a proverb (not biblical) that tells us, “Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.”  The underlying problem, however, is to get him to want to fish when it is ever so much easier if you’d just give him one of yours.  It has been repeatedly reported that there are employers across this country who are begging for workers, but cannot find reliable people willing to  work.  If you spend time talking with men and women whose job takes them inside the residences (most often, First Responders), they will tell you of the large screen televisions, the cable boxes, the iphones, lap tops, etc. that they see regularly.  
 
In this vein, I am concerned about the generation of children who are growing up being handed free goods, free food, free coats, free computers, even free cell phones.  What are we teaching them?  What kind of future do we expect for them or our nation?  If privileged children are handed everything, while earning none of it, we say it is to their detriment, that they’ll never have an appreciation for earning something.  How are poor children any different in that regard? Surely they are equally deserving of learning the same life lesson! 
 
There has been a piece in the news about a school that now has a washing machine on premise specifically for children who are coming to school in dirty clothes. We have a generation that has children they cannot support, either financially, physically or psychologically.  Do we think this younger generation has hope for a more productive future because they grew up getting free goods and services their parents, i.e., role models, failed to supply?
 
If you’ve read to this point, I am fairly sure you see me in a bad light.  Contrary to how it may seem, I truly am not hard-hearted or selfish. I am a Christian who believes in following Christ’s teachings; however, I also believe He believed there are consequences for bad choices.  If you’ve read my posts in the Recipes forum, you are familiar with my appreciation for the blessing of abundant food this country has.  I don’t want anyone to go hungry, and I fully acknowledge there are some who are truly in desperate need.  I just don’t believe we are applying the best policy to handle hunger or poverty in this country.  I also believe we need to incorporate a merit system, a means for earning, free goods.  Maybe these children could be required to establish a good attendance record, or earn better grades, before we send groceries home to their parents who are sitting there waiting for them.  There has to be a better way.

OMGoodness - I know because I am currently looking the other way when it comes to many of our Clients.  

 

I can't begin to tell you what Christmas is like in our small agency but it is an embarassment of riches.  Many Families double dip.  They hit the churches in our area with many receiving duplicate items.  

 

The folks that are here illegally are an entirely NEW bunch.  They will reproduce Government documents issued by a hospital stating they have a significant health issue - such as high-rise pregnancy (yep  -  preggo men out there) because they don't read - in order to have ankle monitors removed. 

 

With many of these individuals it is a 'Way of Life' - they have never seen anything different and they can not relate to living differently.

 

Maybe I think highly of people but I believe if any of us could help waste time on 10 people to have the ability to serve just 1 we would did it.

 

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@Highlands72 wrote:

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@reiki604 I'm not sure where you got $1.40 per day per person but you might want to look at the SNAP eligibity charts!!  While there might be some who have near the maximum income limit who don't get that much, they usually are not the ones who neglect to feed their children properly.   

It's not a small sample that I speak of.  We had access to the overall statistics for the whole state as well as the entire country.  It makes me wonder where your info came from!!


@Pook   I don't know if @reiki604 posted this but I was the person who said the national average is $1.40 per person per meal.

 

From the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities:

 

. On average, SNAP households received about $253 a month in fiscal year 2018. The average SNAP benefit per person was about $126 per month, which works out to about $1.40 per person per meal.

 

The stat was based on the USDA website.

 

Source: U.S. Department of Agriculture, “SNAP Fiscal Year 2019 Cost-of-Living Adjustments

 

Again I ask:  Could you feed yourself and EACH family member on $1.40 per person per day??


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To be accurate, this $1.40 statistic is per meal, as highlighted in red, as opposed to the question in green at the bottom.  It is based on three meals per day, which would be $4.20 per day. If you subtract the school breakfast and lunch programs, this would be, in many cases, $4.20 for one meal on school days. In my community, those who receive SNAP benefits automatically qualify for the local food banks in addition to any other benefits they might receive.

 

This is not a value judgment on my part; only trying to clarify the statistic. There is much to agree with and to disagree with on this thread, even from opposing viewpoints.

 

The important thing is that it is a disgrace for anyone to go hungry in this country, especially a child, who has no way to provide for his/her basic needs.

 

Of course, there is fraud or misrepresentation in some of these programs, but I prefer to think it minimal. Addressing the need is so much more important than ferreting out the fraud.

 


@Highlands72   I have posted several times that it is on average $1.40 PER MEAL PER PERSON.

 

My last sentence highlighted in green was obviously a typo - it should have read per meal and not day.  The PER MEAL is even in the beginning of this post you quoted.

 

 

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Re: Helping kids with food insecurity

@IamMrsG  I agree with your post.  

 

When I was in school, there were poor kids then too.  We had a program that gave them free lunches - in return for working in the cafeteria or the library or some other school function.  So it wasn't just a handout.  

 

I, also, have done a lot of work with the homeless in the past and have gotten very discouraged.  As you noted, I have yet to have someone offer to help in return for the meals, laundry services, etc. they received from our Center.  I won't even describe the condition of the showers after use.

 

Since I have a background in Human Resources, I offered help in finding employment.  Sadly, I had little interest and when people did take me up on the offer of help, they essentially wanted me to find them a job without any real effort on their part - and it had to be a job that fit their schedule and where they could take off as they saw fit.

 

I grew up poor.  Later, I left a physically abusive marriage with only the clothes on my back.  While I did have a job, I got an apartment with no furniture and slept on the floor for months until I could afford to buy a bed.  I am not unsympathetic to people down on their luck.

 

However, honestly, I have lost heart for helping people who not only are often unappreciative, but also critical that I am not doing more for them.

 

I learned in counseling how destructive enabling bad behavior can be.  I really think if we had even minimal requirements of doing something in return for the help received, the recipients would be much better off in the long run.

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I think this is a wonderful idea.  Hate to think of any food going to waste at schools especially when many have kids on food assistance to begin with.

 

A few years ago DH was out of work so we accepted weekend backpacks from the elementary school for a couple months.  They were full of processed foods but we were thankful to have them.  How nice it would have been to have a "Real" meal come home in one of those backpacks.