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‎09-25-2014 11:08 AM
Forgot to add - child's mom abandoned him when he was a toddler - we helped son get full physical custody (she has visitation but only turns up periodically)
Is SNAP food stamps? I know they do get food stamps...
Thank you to everyone for all these suggestions. We will follow up and pass them along.
‎09-25-2014 11:10 AM
Sorry one more thing...re: the mom working - I understand about the SS benefits being reduced until full retirement age, but our though was that she would be contributing more to SS and would eventually wind up getting more $$$ when she reaches full retirement, which would help in the long run.
‎09-25-2014 07:41 PM
On 9/25/2014 terrier3 said:On 9/24/2014 ckr1147 said:thanks for your reply, Col. Meow
by unskilled, I mean no real marketable skills - she has done some cashiering in the distant past. He worked as a roofer, until he was injured and cannot do that kind of work any more (paid under the table, so no benefits). I should add, her appearance does not help her - over weight with bad teeth and very unkempt (sorry if that sound cruel, but it is reality)
People suffering from depression often have unkempt appearances. People drowning in bills, living on $1700 a month (in a GOOD month!) are often depressed. I doubt they have extra money for mom to get her teeth fixed.
Depressed people have a hard time seeing a way out of their situation.
SNAP is a good first step, if they aren't receiving it already. Same with the energy program.
The son earns money...TANF is for people who aren't earning ANY money at all and have no assets. FLA is very restrictive in who can get assistance and how much. The child can get Medicaid - which will take care of vaccinations and dental work for him. Mom and son MAY qualify as well, which would help with depression, dental and any other underlying medical issues related to the overweight.
When you are under 65 (or around that age), any income earned will reduce mom's SS payment...so her working might end up being a wash.
My first job out of grad school was working in a community organization in poor neighborhoods. It's easy to tell someone to clean up, lose weight & get their teeth fixed. The underlying issues are often manifested in the outward appearance...it's not as simple as it seems.
I completely agree with your statement that FL is extremely restrictive in who is eligible for assistance, and very particular about what resources can realistically be provided.
From the outside, it may look like there is a plethora of agencies and programs that are just waiting to give away money/resources/training to anyone who is in need.
However, those of us that have actually worked within the system know this is not true. As I mentioned earlier, these agencies are under-funded and over-extended.
‎09-25-2014 08:03 PM
On 9/25/2014 ckr1147 said:Sorry one more thing...re: the mom working - I understand about the SS benefits being reduced until full retirement age, but our though was that she would be contributing more to SS and would eventually wind up getting more $$$ when she reaches full retirement, which would help in the long run.
That isn't how it works.
When you start collecting at 62, that is the amount you will be receiving every month for the rest of your life. Even if she made $200,000 a year at another job (highly unlikely, I know!), it doesn't matter. She will continue to collect what she opted to take at 62.
Suggestions on how to "cut bills" on $1700 a month (in a GOOD month) are laughable. That's just about as low as you can go. Too bad FLA doesn't provide Medicaid for single people - I think that some counseling, maybe even some anti-depressants, might help her a lot. It's scary when you are expected to survive on $750 a month for the rest of your life... I would be depressed too!!!!
Does the child's dad have a GED? What was the nature of his disability? What does he do where he makes $250 in a good 40 hour week? That's about $6 an hour - NOT even minimum wage work.
Until mom becomes 65 and can get Medicare, she's kind of out of luck and FLA won't help.
The best bet is to concentrate on the son and hope he can get REAL work (with benefits, unemployment coverage, etc.) It's tough when someone "works under the table." They have no recourse if they are injured, no unemployment insurance, not even points towards SS when they are ready to retire. "Under the table" helps no one except the unscrupulous employers who take advantage of poor people who are desperate for work.
I believe the child MIGHT be eligible for Medicaid...but again, FLA is one of the stingiest states when it comes to even helping children. Medicaid would also cover dental up to age 16.
‎09-25-2014 08:31 PM
On 9/25/2014 terrier3 said:On 9/25/2014 ckr1147 said:Sorry one more thing...re: the mom working - I understand about the SS benefits being reduced until full retirement age, but our though was that she would be contributing more to SS and would eventually wind up getting more $$$ when she reaches full retirement, which would help in the long run.
That isn't how it works.
When you start collecting at 62, that is the amount you will be receiving every month for the rest of your life. Even if she made $200,000 a year at another job (highly unlikely, I know!), it doesn't matter. She will continue to collect what she opted to take at 62.
Suggestions on how to "cut bills" on $1700 a month (in a GOOD month) are laughable. That's just about as low as you can go. Too bad FLA doesn't provide Medicaid for single people - I think that some counseling, maybe even some anti-depressants, might help her a lot. It's scary when you are expected to survive on $750 a month for the rest of your life... I would be depressed too!!!!
Does the child's dad have a GED? What was the nature of his disability? What does he do where he makes $250 in a good 40 hour week? That's about $6 an hour - NOT even minimum wage work.
Until mom becomes 65 and can get Medicare, she's kind of out of luck and FLA won't help.
The best bet is to concentrate on the son and hope he can get REAL work (with benefits, unemployment coverage, etc.) It's tough when someone "works under the table." They have no recourse if they are injured, no unemployment insurance, not even points towards SS when they are ready to retire. "Under the table" helps no one except the unscrupulous employers who take advantage of poor people who are desperate for work.
I believe the child MIGHT be eligible for Medicaid...but again, FLA is one of the stingiest states when it comes to even helping children. Medicaid would also cover dental up to age 16.
I think that the grandson does get Medicaid, or some kind of insurance.
So agree with you re: working "under the table"; however this "man" (NOT disabled, by the way) has many emotional issues which have always affected his ability to work (anger management not the least of them - feeling like all the problems are "someone elses fault is the main problem)
Any way - he does general labor and I have no idea what $250/week is in terms of hours, just that is what his mother says he brings home "in a good week".
thanks for the correction re: the SS - however, as I understand it, even tho' she opted to collect early, she could still work and collect her benefit, but is penalized $2 for every $1 she earns above a preset amount (around $15K, I think???)
I "get" that cutting bills is "laughable" (although $120/month for cable seems like a luxury to me) - but it seems like something could be done..
We will have to try to talk with her about medical - if medical and dental care would help her, we should be willing to give $$$ toward that...but when we see people not trying to help themselves, it is frustrating.
I am sure she is scared/depressed; I would be too - but sitting around and crying doesn't help the situation.
‎09-25-2014 09:03 PM
On 9/25/2014 ckr1147 said:I "get" that cutting bills is "laughable" (although $120/month for cable seems like a luxury to me) - but it seems like something could be done..
Cutting it to basic cable would be a good start.
Thankfully, they get food assistance and insurance for the grandson, it's not his fault.
‎09-25-2014 09:45 PM
It is not true that one's Social Security benefit amount cannot be increased by working after drawing. I know, I have been drawing (and working) for almost four years. Each year I get a letter telling me how much more benefit I will receive due to the recalculation.
Also, after one reaches their full retirement age, there is no limit on the earnings one can have.
From the S. S. website.
You can work while you receive Social Security retirement (or survivors) benefits. When you do, it could mean a higher benefit for you in the future.
Each year we review the records for all working Social Security recipients. If your earnings for the prior year are higher than one of the years we used to compute your retirement benefit, we will recalculate your benefit amount. We pay the increase retroactive to January the year after you earned the money.
When you reach full retirement age:
‎09-25-2014 09:53 PM
On 9/24/2014 ckr1147 said:Without going into a long drawn out story (rant), here are the high points -
Family in FL (63 year old mother, 30 yr old son, son's 10 year old son) - mom gets Social security (abt $759/month) son makes about $250/week, when he works an entire week -
They are drowning - constantly asking other family members for $$$ because they can't pay their bills.
DH and I have refused to give any more handouts, but want to be supportive and make suggestions on how to cut bills, etc.
Do any of you have experience in FL Social Services and how to go about getting assistance? Job training, etc...
We realize that both of them should be working full time...but she is unskilled as is he - are there any "Welfare to Work" programs we could direct them to?
I realize perhaps we should stay out of it, but I think we are the only ones who have a brain in this scenario...
Any suggestions are appreciated!!
The NUMBER ONE question is
Do they want to work?
and
The NUMBER TWO question is
Do they want to get out poverty?
Some people are their own worst enemies.
I feel sorry for the young boy.
‎09-25-2014 09:57 PM
ckr1147 - Do you know why the mom chose to retire early? Surely she must have had some idea that she couldn't afford to do so? Even working a minimum wage job, her net income would still exceed what she is currently collecting from SS (if it was full time work).
‎09-25-2014 10:00 PM
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