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Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

@hckynut wrote:

Hello there @Mominohio

For me during all of my adult life I have never paid any more attention to phrases that end with the word "if", than I have to the old past tense "should'a/could'a/would'a".

Even my mom used to tell me do this, do that, "for your future", but I said the same things to her in the '50's that I still say today. I live for, and in the present, not the future or the past.

I can't change the past nor can I predict my future. What I can do is make the most of every one of my present days, and that I will continue to do until I physically or mentally can not.

You have seen me say it in many of my posts, I live 1 day at a time. This was before and after my many brushes with possibly dying, and I have no intention or reason to change to now because of a virus.

"What if"? With luck and doing my best to stay physically fit and healthy, I may be around long enough to possibly find out those answers.

hckynut 🏒

But you do live in the future! If you take the time to care and act on being physically fit and healthy, you are indeed looking to the future, and being proactive about 'if'. You know if you don't, you are less likely to be here.

I think people have the misconception that if you love the past and learn from it, and you plan for or anticipate the future (that's all 'if' is about), that you can't simultaneously live in the now happily.

In my world, it all combines, the past the present and the future, to make a full and happy life. I'd hate to be locked in to only the now. The past and the future have great things as well.

And glad to see you posting! I don't seem many posts from you lately, probably because we are in different forums regularly. Hope you are doing well!

Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

@Desertdi wrote:
I'm old enough to have gone thru a couple polio epidemics BEFORE Jonas Salk made the brilliant discovery............

@Desertdi

Do you remember how consuming it was for people, to worry about and try to protect especially the children from that?

I've done a little reading about polio, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it tended to spread among kids in the summer, right? And during those times, kids were together in large groups, outside and playing together. So different than many today that are indoors, attached to electronics and not interacting with each other.

I would imagine parents were concerned, just wonder how many reacted, like did they keep their kids home, etc.?

Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

@Deree wrote:
Funny thing is I have a tendency toward pessimism and worry but I haven't spent any time being bothered by this thought. I am optimistic that a vaccine will be developed sooner than anticipated. But I tell ya what I am bothered about. People. I have been angry and dismayed at people's attitudes in this country in general. I never thought there were so many Ignorant and selfish people. People who don't understand science and who don't know what it is to make small sacrifices for the good of everyone. And that is what worries me about the future. It's one thing to have understandable guidelines to follow or a vaccine. It's another to have people's cooperation. Without people's cooperation we are fighting a losing battle IMO.

I agree @Deree that cooperation is essential.

But I hesitate to call people ignorant, selfish and not understanding science in this instance. The science itself isn't getting this right, and is ever changing.

The science is attached to politics and money (always is, not just in this instance) and it's no wonder people don't believe everything they are told, question what they are told, or choose to go a different direction, when other people in the science field say just the opposite of others. There really isn't a lot of good solid proven science on this one yet, and we are being told one thing, only to have that struck down and told the opposite. Creates an environment ripe for varying opinions to rise.

Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

@I am still oxox wrote:
No I prefer to stay positive and not focus on the negative

I think there is a difference between 'negative' and 'reality' sometimes.

Looking at reality (even if it is negative) can lead to paths to fix whatever it is that is making our reality negative. Or at least give us better ways and ideas for navigating it.

stevieb · ‎03-10-2010

@Mominohio wrote:
@Deree wrote:
Funny thing is I have a tendency toward pessimism and worry but I haven't spent any time being bothered by this thought. I am optimistic that a vaccine will be developed sooner than anticipated. But I tell ya what I am bothered about. People. I have been angry and dismayed at people's attitudes in this country in general. I never thought there were so many Ignorant and selfish people. People who don't understand science and who don't know what it is to make small sacrifices for the good of everyone. And that is what worries me about the future. It's one thing to have understandable guidelines to follow or a vaccine. It's another to have people's cooperation. Without people's cooperation we are fighting a losing battle IMO.

I agree @Deree that cooperation is essential.

But I hesitate to call people ignorant, selfish and not understanding science in this instance. The science itself isn't getting this right, and is ever changing.

The science is attached to politics and money (always is, not just in this instance) and it's no wonder people don't believe everything they are told, question what they are told, or choose to go a different direction, when other people in the science field say just the opposite of others. There really isn't a lot of good solid proven science on this one yet, and we are being told one thing, only to have that struck down and told the opposite. Creates an environment ripe for varying opinions to rise.

Agree @Mominohio many don't think 'science' has particularly distinguished itself in this instance by a long shot. I also don't necessarily think 'non-compliers' are either ignorant or selfish. Some might be, some might not be. I personally believe that people, overall, are so blown away by all this that they're stymied by it and, as suggested, science has been far from consistent, definitive or particularly forthcoming with much of anything that many people would consider meaningful. Useful though they might be, hand washing, social disatancing and mask wearing aren't particularly technical and so, six months in, some people are feeling science has left quite a void.

In my pantry with my cupcakes...

Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

@wildcat fan wrote:
As a teacher, I've been thinking about how different it will be on the job. Around here it seems we're all going back to regular schedules in the fall with one exception--most of the districts are setting up K5-12 "virtual schools" for those students whose parents don't feel comfortable sending their kids to school. It's going to be a school of choice--you either go to school or stay home and have online classes. No mention so far as to which teachers get to do the online teaching, but it sounds like they will have to go to a school building and teach in an empty classroom in front of cameras. The rest of us will go to school and teach face-to-face. I've seen some social media posts that called out the irony in our situation:

1. School board members have met through Zoom to say we're going back to regular schedule. They don't think it's safe enough for them to have face-to-face board meetings, yet they determined we can all go back in a few weeks. Some of these school boards had public virtual meetings posted on their websites while others just issued press releases without the public getting a chance to see who said what.

2. Seems the higher ups are discouraging masks in the classrooms. These are the same people seen on camera wearing masks.

The classroom will be a different experience whether we have a vaccine or not. I would not mind continuing like I did last spring. I felt safe here at home and I made sure the lessons were engaging. This new model where a select group of teachers will be teaching online while the rest of us are doing face-to-face instruction seems a little unfair.

@wildcat fan

thanks for this insightful input on a very important topic, getting back to school! Most of my teacher friends and relatives are now retired, and I have no children in my life right now in school. So I've really not been in the mindset to really contemplate what you as well as parents are facing with this. I mean, I'm aware of it, and I know years ago, when my son was still in school, I'd have been really consumed with where this would be going on that front.

I have heard that there will be choice of in school or online many places, but I guess I hadn't thought of how it would sort out as to which teachers get which assignment. Then throw in the unions and I have to wonder what their stance is, and where they are coming down on things in this whole new world of educating.

Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

@RetRN wrote:
I thought about it just the other day. I anticipate no trick or treaters this Halloween and wonder about Thanksgiving dinners with family. Christmas may have to celebrated virtually.
I don't believe this will be ending anytime soon. If you haven't considered what it could be like you are living in denial.

@RetRN

Yes, you get what I was hinting at. So many things that are the fabric of our lives, that just won't be done in the forseeable future, or at all ever again for some people.

I'm starting to have a hard time not seeing a light at the end of this tunnel when it comes to my family. We don't let my adult son around much because of my elderly mom. He is working two jobs, bad enough there, but like many younger folks, not believing this is all that bad, and not taking precautions. Even if he was just being out at two jobs would have us keeping him away from us/my mom.

I hate that I haven't hugged my kid in months. I haven't been able to sit my extended family down to a meal, or play a game, or watch a movie together. We have visited outdoors at a distance , but the holiday season in Ohio isn't really conducive to that kind of thing.

We are expecting our first grandchild late October/early November, and it feels like we will be so removed from the experience because of this virus. So many important experiences are being missed, and while creating some new ways to do them has been interesting and enlightening for sure, I know I want some 'normal' back in my life. I just feel like these simple things we took for granted, like those you listed, are time we will never get back, and things some people will maybe never get to experinece again, as their time is limited.

Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

@stevieb wrote:
Sorry I can't respond as directed, but the discussion is pointless... Yet another virus thread with pretty much the same somewhat predictable responses from more or less the same somewhat predictable folks, who have been beating up this topic for the past four months... And you know what, at the end of the day nothing being said here matters... Not a bit... What's going to happen is going to happen and pretty clearly if any of us had any control over it, things would be different... All the 'what ifs' in the world are not helpful or remotely worthwhile...

@stevieb

I guess I don't understand how if these threads continue to bother you so much, you feel the need to beat to death your same response over and over. That truly becomes pointless.

Perhaps the discussions of the virus matters not a bit to you, but it does matter to others, and you really don't get to choose that for them. Many things being said here matter.

We actually do have control. We have, with sharing of ideas and support, the opportunity to see things differently, or more clearly. We have the opportunity to come up with ways to cope. We have the opportunity to try new things we may not have thought of, to make things we are longing for to happen, just in a different and safe way.

And all the 'what if's' in the world are exactly what move us forward. If no one ever asked "What if....." we would never have new inventions, we would never have art, we would never have anything new, improved, different. If nobody every said, " What if we could go to the moon" we would never have gotten there.

I for one am liberating "What if" from being negative, worrisome, and a waste of time, and giving it it's place in looking forward and the spring board for the future.

Desertdi · ‎03-13-2010

@Mominohio wrote:
@Desertdi wrote:
I'm old enough to have gone thru a couple polio epidemics BEFORE Jonas Salk made the brilliant discovery............

@Desertdi

Do you remember how consuming it was for people, to worry about and try to protect especially the children from that?

I've done a little reading about polio, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it tended to spread among kids in the summer, right? And during those times, kids were together in large groups, outside and playing together. So different than many today that are indoors, attached to electronics and not interacting with each other.

I would imagine parents were concerned, just wonder how many reacted, like did they keep their kids home, etc.?

@Mominohio Yes, in the 1940's and 1950's most kids were allowed to only play in their own yards during the summer. No beaches, pools, parks, camps, etc.

♥Surface of the Sun♥

Linmo · ‎12-16-2013

@stevieb wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
@Deree wrote:
Funny thing is I have a tendency toward pessimism and worry but I haven't spent any time being bothered by this thought. I am optimistic that a vaccine will be developed sooner than anticipated. But I tell ya what I am bothered about. People. I have been angry and dismayed at people's attitudes in this country in general. I never thought there were so many Ignorant and selfish people. People who don't understand science and who don't know what it is to make small sacrifices for the good of everyone. And that is what worries me about the future. It's one thing to have understandable guidelines to follow or a vaccine. It's another to have people's cooperation. Without people's cooperation we are fighting a losing battle IMO.

I agree @Deree that cooperation is essential.

But I hesitate to call people ignorant, selfish and not understanding science in this instance. The science itself isn't getting this right, and is ever changing.

The science is attached to politics and money (always is, not just in this instance) and it's no wonder people don't believe everything they are told, question what they are told, or choose to go a different direction, when other people in the science field say just the opposite of others. There really isn't a lot of good solid proven science on this one yet, and we are being told one thing, only to have that struck down and told the opposite. Creates an environment ripe for varying opinions to rise.

Agree @Mominohio many don't think 'science' has particularly distinguished itself in this instance by a long shot. I also don't necessarily think 'non-compliers' are either ignorant or selfish. Some might be, some might not be. I personally believe that people, overall, are so blown away by all this that they're stymied by it and, as suggested, science has been far from consistent, definitive or particularly forthcoming with much of anything that many people would consider meaningful. Useful though they might be, hand washing, social disatancing and mask wearing aren't particularly technical and so, six months in, some people are feeling science has left quite a void.

It is mainly younger people now that are not following the suggested guidelines and becoming infected. They are understandably bored with the stay at home routine and think that if they do get infected, it won't be a big deal. In that respect, they are being both selfish and ignorant. Other people follow the advice of the leadership in their city, state or our country. If their leaders do not take it seriously, they don't think they have to either.