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[noodleann]

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@Mominohio wrote:

a good vaccine isn't found, or is way further off than expected for Covid? How it will effect your daily life, or those in your family?

Or if getting it manufactured in quantity enough to supply the world takes an additional year or more?

Or turns out to be like the flu vaccine is most times, and isn't really all that effective?

I'm not looking for the usual 'don't borrow trouble' or 'stop worrying about what hasn't happened, or 'stop creating panic' responses. I'm not. I'm simply bringing to the table, something that should be considered and discussed. The fact that there may not be a good vaccine, or a quick vaccine, and we may be in this thing for even longer than we have anticipated. 

If we keep using all the precautions, if places choose to keep falling back on lockdown type restrictions, fewer people will be exposed, and fewer will gain immunity. Will we simply have to go through the process of waiting until heard immunity is reached to some good extent? Will we have to maybe wait it out to see if it weakens on it's own? How long might that be?

If anyone has read anything based on these kinds of questions, and would like to share the sources, I'd be interested to know.

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I get the flu vaccine annually, but I wouldn't take a COVID-19 vaccine approved under the relaxed regulatory conditions that exist today even if it were available tomorrow. I have no reason to trust the process, so I don't trust the results. I also don't want this virus in my body. A vaccine won't do anything for me.

Treatment to wipe out this coronavirus and COVID-19 is the answer. I believe that's even farther away than a vaccine.

We, collectively, have never used "all the precautions." Even in places that were on lockdown, people still violated the rules. The violators will probably deny this because they carved out exceptions that they found acceptable (like having visits with close friends and family) and don't count them, but they still failed to abide by the requirements. I don't see lockdowns working in future unless they're accompanied fines for individuals and organizations. 

The post seems to embrace the concept of herd immunity, which is an unanswered question with this virus. Whether people "gain immunity" by exposure or having COVID-19  and recovering is not actually known. The quality of that immunity and its duration are also undetermined. Conversations based on speculation might be interesting if the participants were epidemiologists. Here, they're a waste of time, IMO.

"I'm simply bringing to the table, something that should be considered and discussed." Why exactly "should" it be "considered and discussed" here? Seems this is a conversation that is more appropriately had with family members and possibly co-workers.

I have accepted the fact that this is now the way life is and will be possibly until I die and that I just have to find new ways of getting certain things accomplished.

[stevieb]

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@Marp wrote:

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@stevieb wrote:

Sorry I can't respond as directed, but the discussion is pointless... Yet another virus thread with pretty much the same somewhat predictable responses from more or less the same somewhat predictable folks, who have been beating up this topic for the past four months... And you know what, at the end of the day nothing being said here matters... Not a bit... What's going to happen is going to happen and pretty clearly if any of us had any control over it, things would be different... All the 'what ifs' in the world are not helpful or remotely worthwhile...

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Yet another virus thread with pretty much the same somewhat predictable responses from more or less the same somewhat predictable folks, who have been beating up this topic for the past four months..

Works both ways.  Too many virus threads, too many of the same old same old, too many of the complainers about the virus threads repeatedly saying the same thing on nearly every virus thread.

If you don't want to discuss the virus simply stop responding to posts about the virus.  Problem solved.

The virus is not going away and neither are the posts/threads about it.

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Neither, then, are the comments indicating there are those who find the never-ending discussion pointless, at best...

[Marp]

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@stevieb wrote:

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@Marp wrote:

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@stevieb wrote:

Sorry I can't respond as directed, but the discussion is pointless... Yet another virus thread with pretty much the same somewhat predictable responses from more or less the same somewhat predictable folks, who have been beating up this topic for the past four months... And you know what, at the end of the day nothing being said here matters... Not a bit... What's going to happen is going to happen and pretty clearly if any of us had any control over it, things would be different... All the 'what ifs' in the world are not helpful or remotely worthwhile...

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Yet another virus thread with pretty much the same somewhat predictable responses from more or less the same somewhat predictable folks, who have been beating up this topic for the past four months..

Works both ways.  Too many virus threads, too many of the same old same old, too many of the complainers about the virus threads repeatedly saying the same thing on nearly every virus thread.

If you don't want to discuss the virus simply stop responding to posts about the virus.  Problem solved.

The virus is not going away and neither are the posts/threads about it.

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Neither, then, are the comments indicating there are those who find the never-ending discussion pointless, at best...

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Precisely my point.  The difference between those that want to talk about the virus and those that would like the discussions to disappear is that those wanting to discuss seek out the threads and posts while those that want them to disappear don't avoid them.

[hckynut]

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@mimomof4 wrote:

"Honestly I have been thinking about that everyday since March. Every new study that my company has received in the past 6 months is for COVID".

@mimomof4 

Sounds like you work in the medical industry.Thinking about it every day since March? I'm wondering if that is making you feel better. I hope so otherwise!

hckynut(john)

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[stevieb]

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@Marp wrote:

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@stevieb wrote:

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@Marp wrote:

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@stevieb wrote:

Sorry I can't respond as directed, but the discussion is pointless... Yet another virus thread with pretty much the same somewhat predictable responses from more or less the same somewhat predictable folks, who have been beating up this topic for the past four months... And you know what, at the end of the day nothing being said here matters... Not a bit... What's going to happen is going to happen and pretty clearly if any of us had any control over it, things would be different... All the 'what ifs' in the world are not helpful or remotely worthwhile...

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Yet another virus thread with pretty much the same somewhat predictable responses from more or less the same somewhat predictable folks, who have been beating up this topic for the past four months..

Works both ways.  Too many virus threads, too many of the same old same old, too many of the complainers about the virus threads repeatedly saying the same thing on nearly every virus thread.

If you don't want to discuss the virus simply stop responding to posts about the virus.  Problem solved.

The virus is not going away and neither are the posts/threads about it.

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Neither, then, are the comments indicating there are those who find the never-ending discussion pointless, at best...

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Precisely my point.  The difference between those that want to talk about the virus and those that would like the discussions to disappear is that those wanting to discuss seek out the threads and posts while those that want them to disappear don't avoid them.

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Because they've become virtually impossible to avoid. You open the forums and there they are...

[hckynut]

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@Goldengate8361 wrote:

@Deree Well stated. Many people's selfishness has come to light (and it is a bright light) by their overt decision to NOT wear a mask or socially distance. If you care about others (and yourself) and you care at all about getting the economy up and going, the decision to wear a mask and socially distance is an easy one. We should learn from China, India, Russia, New Zealand, and every other country on the planet (maybe not Brazil) who is responding to the pandemic FAR more competently than the U.S.

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@Goldengate8361 

I get a kick out of those that judge people they don't even see, much less know. And then include that they also believe China/India and Russia. Then saying, "FAR more competently then the US".

Let me see how I mentally dissect those statements. Oh, got it!

hckynut

[QueenDanceALot]

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@noodleann wrote:

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@Mominohio wrote:

a good vaccine isn't found, or is way further off than expected for Covid? How it will effect your daily life, or those in your family?

Or if getting it manufactured in quantity enough to supply the world takes an additional year or more?

Or turns out to be like the flu vaccine is most times, and isn't really all that effective?

I'm not looking for the usual 'don't borrow trouble' or 'stop worrying about what hasn't happened, or 'stop creating panic' responses. I'm not. I'm simply bringing to the table, something that should be considered and discussed. The fact that there may not be a good vaccine, or a quick vaccine, and we may be in this thing for even longer than we have anticipated. 

If we keep using all the precautions, if places choose to keep falling back on lockdown type restrictions, fewer people will be exposed, and fewer will gain immunity. Will we simply have to go through the process of waiting until heard immunity is reached to some good extent? Will we have to maybe wait it out to see if it weakens on it's own? How long might that be?

If anyone has read anything based on these kinds of questions, and would like to share the sources, I'd be interested to know.

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I get the flu vaccine annually, but I wouldn't take a COVID-19 vaccine approved under the relaxed regulatory conditions that exist today even if it were available tomorrow. I have no reason to trust the process, so I don't trust the results. I also don't want this virus in my body. A vaccine won't do anything for me.

Treatment to wipe out this coronavirus and COVID-19 is the answer. I believe that's even farther away than a vaccine.

We, collectively, have never used "all the precautions." Even in places that were on lockdown, people still violated the rules. The violators will probably deny this because they carved out exceptions that they found acceptable (like having visits with close friends and family) and don't count them, but they still failed to abide by the requirements. I don't see lockdowns working in future unless they're accompanied fines for individuals and organizations. 

The post seems to embrace the concept of herd immunity, which is an unanswered question with this virus. Whether people "gain immunity" by exposure or having COVID-19  and recovering is not actually known. The quality of that immunity and its duration are also undetermined. Conversations based on speculation might be interesting if the participants were epidemiologists. Here, they're a waste of time, IMO.

"I'm simply bringing to the table, something that should be considered and discussed." Why exactly "should" it be "considered and discussed" here? Seems this is a conversation that is more appropriately had with family members and possibly co-workers.

I have accepted the fact that this is now the way life is and will be possibly until I die and that I just have to find new ways of getting certain things accomplished.

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@noodleann 

So, you don't trust "Operation Warp Speed"?

[Goldengate8361]

Counter to what a small minority of predictable voices ALWAY complain about on threads about the pandemic, there is MUCH value in such discussions. It is important to share one's thoughts with various communities--as a sounding board--and in order to engage in discussion about an important topic....perhaps, the most important topic right now (reminder: it has killed over 126,000 people and Dr. Fauci said today that we might soon be at 100,00 new cases per day!!!..and did I mention that it has tanked the economy?). I would like to see more threads about all aspects of the pandemic--as we can learn from one another and pick up tips that may help us all. For the majority of us, we will just need to scroll on down and try to overstep the super negativity of those that boo-hoo such discussions.