@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
@software wrote:
@suzyQ3 wrote:
@software wrote:
I started working full time in the 1970s and yes it was pretty free-wheeling back then. But it was up to the woman to say NO.
Obviously someone was saying YES or he wouldn't be doing it.
And fortunately, I was never so in debt or entrenched in a job that I couldn't leave if I was being systematically disrespected in some form or fashion - sexually or otherwise.
@software, from what I understand, the accusations are from those who did NOT want the "attention" given to them by this man.
It's very easy to sit here and wonder why a woman might find herself in a very difficult situation. I bet many of us here know exactly what I'm saying.
When I was younger and working briefly part-time in a male-dominated place, I recall a customer telling my employer something about my body. My employer replied, "Yeah, that's why we keep her." Did I pipe up and object and demand more respect? No. Not until much later.
IT IS NOT UP TO THE WOMAN TO SAY NO. IT'S UP TO THE MAN TO PROVIDE, AT THE VERY LEAST, A COMFORTABLE AND RESPECTFUL WORKING ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL EMPLOYEES - AND TODAY, ALSO TO COMPLY WITH THE MUCH-NEEDED LAWS IN PLACE.
In a perfect world, yes.
But a man's brain always goes to the visual, they are wired that way.
They have to be TAUGHT that women are not objects, therefore it's up to women to say NO.
@software
Uh .... In a perfect world, parents would raise young men to respect women .... to be gentlemen ..... to never force themselves onto women ..... to do the right thing. Do this even for no other reason than ... it's illegal.
Don't parents share some blame in some of these occurances?
Unfortunately, when it comes to powerful men in any industry or field, they are accustomed to getting what they want. Yes, sometimes women throw themselves at men. It happens, and sometimes it happens frequently.
However, two things that ALL women can do ...
1 -- Support women that find themselves in predatory situations. (How many women here stated during the Cosby postings that "she must have asked for it"?)
2 -- Use every opportunity to reinforce integrity and gentlemanly behavior in young men .... better yet, men of any age.
It's one thing for a woman to have to extricate herself from a situation where they guy doesn't want to take no for an answer .... and another thing entirely to have her livelihood threatened if she doesn't say yes to the creep.
Okay, I'll get off my soap box now.
Men who treat women with respect were raised right, I certainly agree. it all begins in the home but how long can we blame the parents once these men are grown?
"to have your livelihood threatened" is not an excuse for the woman either. He wasn't the only producer in Hollywood. Every industry is similar, Hollywood gets the press. It's hard to just pack up and leave a bad situation behind but it's what women have to do. I've done it. Like i stated in an earlier post, I've never been so dependent on a job or a man that I couldn't pack up and leave if I had to when things got bad. Woman have choices. Women have to know bad behavior is not acceptable.
I think we are both on the same page. Support each other and let men know bad behavior will not be tolerated.
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