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[Emma bunting]

On 5/9/2014 wookie said:

On 5/9/2014 Emma bunting said:

On 5/9/2014 wookie said: I am disgusted by satanism as I am by the Westboro group, and the KKK, but all groups mentioned are protected under the Constitution.

So you'd be okay with a KKK rally on the quad then.....or your town green. Okay..thanks for weighing in.

I didn't say I'm okay with it, and am not sure how you came to that conclusion from my post.

Well...it sounds like you support it because they are protected under the Constitution. Did I misinterpret?

[scotttie]

On 5/9/2014 Cakers1 said:

On 5/9/2014 maryebrown said:

On 5/9/2014 Cakers1 said:

On 5/9/2014 maryebrown said:

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And it's going to be done in a campus bar! I can understand why the Archdiocese is upset about this!

mary: I don't think it's the pub so much as the issue of these ritual masses being a parody of Catholic masses.

Although satanism does not always recognize Satan himself (it predates Christianity and other religions), today it's been used to denigrate Christians, esp. Catholics.

Since these members are supposedly doing this for "educational" purposes, it would be interesting to see just what part of satanism they themselves "get" - the ancient concept or the modern one.

Although I'm a lapsed, cafeteria Catholic, I don't think I would use "educational purposes" to describe the mockery this group will be engaging in. To me, it's totally disrespectful and offensive. OTOH, if it was a legitimate class being taught by a reputable Professor, it could be termed "educational" and the Archdiocese would probably not be as upset by this. JMO

Agree about the mockery. That's my problem with this - it's not a class about the ancient beginnings of satanism or even how it evolved to the current parody. I could understand that being "educational". But what, exactly are these participants trying to "educate" others? That mass isn't all that encompasses satanism. My feeling is that they are not quite "educated" themselves about the whole concept.

Although the Archdiocese has the right to speak out against it, I'm pretty sure it will not hold much sway overall.

Exactly. I cannot think of any other religion mocked in such a way where there would not be outrage and all kinds of horror. One religion would likely murder the participants.

[NoelSeven]

On 5/9/2014 JaneMarple said:

Freedom of religion and speech and all that goes with it, that's my understanding of the issue.

That's it in a nutshell. Freedom of religion means for all religions, not just those the majority likes.

The only conditions are that all follow the law. Santaria is not allowed to practice animal rituals.

[NoelSeven]

On 5/9/2014 wookie said:

On 5/9/2014 Emma bunting said:

On 5/9/2014 wookie said: I am disgusted by satanism as I am by the Westboro group, and the KKK, but all groups mentioned are protected under the Constitution.

So you'd be okay with a KKK rally on the quad then.....or your town green. Okay..thanks for weighing in.

I didn't say I'm okay with it, and am not sure how you came to that conclusion from my post.

The KKK is not a religion.

[NoelSeven]

On 5/9/2014 Cakers1 said:

On 5/9/2014 terrier3 said:

On 5/9/2014 Emma bunting said:

On 5/9/2014 terrier3 said:

On 5/9/2014 Emma bunting said:

On 5/9/2014 Linders Back said:

Harvard is not affiliated with any Religion, so all forms of expression should be allowed. The Boston Archdiocese has enough of its own problems to worry about without getting involved in this.

So.....how would you feel if they allowed a KKK rally on the quad? Is that A-OK with everybody?

KKK isn't a religion.

Linders said "all forms of expression should be allowed.".(a KKK rally would be a form of expression)....... Most people here are usually up in arms and want to prevent the Westboro Baptist folks from expressing their views......just wondering if those same folk feel the same about a Satanic Mass being said on the Harvard campus.

I don't believe a baby is sacrificed at a Satanic Mass. As long as no animals are harmed (or people) it's much ado about nothing. The organizers are expecting a lot of publicity. Let's not give them any.

KKK promoted violence against human beings and their property. Not the same, IMO. In the 1920s, my grandparents owned a general store in a small village in PA. The KKK came to their house, burned a cross on the lawn, rode around on horses and left a note telling the "dirty Italians" that was their warning to get out of town or get hurt - and their kids would be killed - they were Catholics from Italy too. My grandparents moved.

See what I mean? The KKK is a different story.

No, the KKK is NOT a different story. Whether your grandparents were run off for being Italian or Catholic (most likely both), the KKK has its roots in anti-Catholicism.

These black "masses" parody the Catholic mass.

Same hate, different crew.

No, not all do. There was a Satanic church in the Bay Area in the 70s and it was not a parody of the Catholic mass.

[terrier3]

On 5/9/2014 Cakers1 said:

On 5/9/2014 terrier3 said:

I don't believe a baby is sacrificed at a Satanic Mass. As long as no animals are harmed (or people) it's much ado about nothing. The organizers are expecting a lot of publicity. Let's not give them any.

KKK promoted violence against human beings and their property. Not the same, IMO. In the 1920s, my grandparents owned a general store in a small village in PA. The KKK came to their house, burned a cross on the lawn, rode around on horses and left a note telling the "dirty Italians" that was their warning to get out of town or get hurt - and their kids would be killed - they were Catholics from Italy too. My grandparents moved.

See what I mean? The KKK is a different story.

No, the KKK is NOT a different story. Whether your grandparents were run off for being Italian or Catholic (most likely both), the KKK has its roots in anti-Catholicism.

These black "masses" parody the Catholic mass.

Same hate, different crew.

The KKK is anti-Catholic, anti-black, anti- everybody but what they are.

That's perfectly OK with me. But they are an organization that has a history of violence. That is the difference.

Who cares if someone parodies a Mass? I am Catholic and I don't care. It's performance art. It's protected free speech. Don't give them publicity...don't act horrified or angry... they will stop.

People get offended way too easily, IMO.

There are so many beautiful, uplifting things to concentrate on in this life - why let
about of people acting out bother you???

[Emma bunting]

On 5/9/2014 NoelSeven said:

On 5/9/2014 JaneMarple said:

Freedom of religion and speech and all that goes with it, that's my understanding of the issue.

That's it in a nutshell. Freedom of religion means for all religions, not just those the majority likes.

The only conditions are that all follow the law. Santaria is not allowed to practice animal rituals.

So.....the Westboro Baptists should be allowed to shout slurs because of freedom of speech, then. And same thing with the KKK. Freedom of speech .....just like religion....is for all people, right? No matter how distasteful we find it. Thanks for weighing in. This is a real eye opener for me.

[NoelSeven]

There's a big movement now for Satanic statues etc. It's being used to fortify the separation of church and state.

[NoelSeven]

On 5/9/2014 Emma bunting said:

On 5/9/2014 NoelSeven said:

On 5/9/2014 JaneMarple said:

Freedom of religion and speech and all that goes with it, that's my understanding of the issue.

That's it in a nutshell. Freedom of religion means for all religions, not just those the majority likes.

The only conditions are that all follow the law. Santaria is not allowed to practice animal rituals.

So.....the Westboro Baptists should be allowed to shout slurs because of freedom of speech, then. And same thing with the KKK. Freedom of speech .....just like religion....is for all people, right? No matter how distasteful we find it. Thanks for weighing in. This is a real eye opener for me.

Don't put words in my mouth, so to speak, and then say thanks. It's so childish.

This is an adult subject, treat it so.

[Surfnturf]

On 5/9/2014 Emma bunting said:

On 5/9/2014 wookie said:

On 5/9/2014 Emma bunting said:

On 5/9/2014 wookie said: I am disgusted by satanism as I am by the Westboro group, and the KKK, but all groups mentioned are protected under the Constitution.

So you'd be okay with a KKK rally on the quad then.....or your town green. Okay..thanks for weighing in.

I didn't say I'm okay with it, and am not sure how you came to that conclusion from my post.

Well...it sounds like you support it because they are protected under the Constitution. Did I misinterpret?

Yes. I don't want to derail this thread, but I absolutely can't stand Satanism because of something that happened to a dear friend of ours caused by someone who practiced Satanism. I hope there is a special place in you know where for this person. Having gotten THAT off my chest, I am simply saying there isn't a thing we can do about it as long as they aren't breaking any laws.