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Good.  I’m sorry that becomes a matter of common sense.

 

I don’t think he should go to jail but do a zillion hours of community service.

 

I would hope he really understands what he did, but holding others responsible is not a way to find contrition.

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@Annabellethecat66. I doubt it's practical for him to stay in Puerto Rico to do a zillion hours of community service.   If he could do it at home, it might be a solution if he's physically able.

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@Carmie  I agree with you that it was preventable. What happened was tragic & horrible. Somehow I don't feel justice will be served by making the family suffer any more than it already has.

   The grandfather's life as he knows it is clearly over. I'm not sure putting him through a trial will serve any purpose. Other than to extend the family's pain.

    

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I thought I had heard the family was suing the cruise line.  Is that true?

 

I also agree that the grandfather was the negligent party in this tragedy, and just because he is heartbroken doesn't change his legal culpability.  If the parents feel the need to sue they should be suing him, not the cruise line, for negligence.

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@NicksmomESQ wrote:

@Carmie  I agree with you that it was preventable. What happened was tragic & horrible. Somehow I don't feel justice will be served by making the family suffer any more than it already has.

   The grandfather's life as he knows it is clearly over. I'm not sure putting him through a trial will serve any purpose. Other than to extend the family's pain.

    


Since this is in another country maybe he will just never go back for any trial??  Which might mean the family will drop the suit against the cruise line for millions which is who the grandfather is blaming rather then himself?

 

I think he should just tell the truth....he acted with very poor judgement which resulted in the death of his granddaughter.  

 

No suing anyone....and most likely since it's another country I can't imagine what kind of punishment they would give him?  If he continues to lie about it....the video comes to court showing him lifting her up and swinging her around...then he deserves whatever they give him at that point it's too late....for doing the right thing AGAIN.  

 

I truly pray he confesses what he did....perhaps then they will drop the charges.  I don't know...maybe.  I just know lying is not the way to go with this.

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@alicedee wrote:

I thought I had heard the family was suing the cruise line.  Is that true?

 

I also agree that the grandfather was the negligent party in this tragedy, and just because he is heartbroken doesn't change his legal culpability.  If the parents feel the need to sue they should be suing him, not the cruise line, for negligence.


Yes they are definitely suing - they have been on the Today show blaming the cruise line for this tragedy.

 

They are probably receiving money from donations even as we comment.

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@Kachina624  Well, I was being facetious...(about the zillion).  

 

I think blaming anyone but the person holding the child (i.e. the ship, etc) was telling me either he or other's didn't seem to realize the seriousness of this.

 

I don't know the entire story and....as a matter of fact the only way any of us would know the entire story is to be living in that family.

 

Probably there are a lot of people who are feeling "could'a.... shoulda... woulda'.  That's understandable.

 

Who hasn't felt that to a much smaller degree and (hopefully) in very different scenarios.

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It was poor judgement on his part, i can not imagine not having the common sense to do that ,the little girl suffered the consequences, how he lives with this i do not know.

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Since this is in another country maybe he will just never go back for any trial??  Which might mean the family will drop the suit against the cruise line for millions which is who the grandfather is blaming rather then himself?

 

I think he should just tell the truth....he acted with very poor judgement which resulted in the death of his granddaughter.  

 

No suing anyone....and most likely since it's another country I can't imagine what kind of punishment they would give him?  If he continues to lie about it....the video comes to court showing him lifting her up and swinging her around...then he deserves whatever they give him at that point it's too late....for doing the right thing AGAIN.  

 

I truly pray he confesses what he did....perhaps then they will drop the charges.  I don't know...maybe.  I just know lying is not the way to go with this.



This incident occurred in Puerto Rico. That's not "another country."  It's part of the United States. He can't live in another state and elude prosecution by not going back to Puerto Rico. Prosecutors in Puerto Rico will have him extradited from elsewhere in the USA to stand trial.  All states and possessions of the USA have extradition access so criminals cannot hide from the law, protected by state borders.

 

He has confessed to what he did in the facts of how the child fell. But he blames the cruise line.  He is criminally liable because it is logical and foreseeable that putting a child on a railing in front of an open window 11 floors above the ground risks the child's safety. He made poor choices, he was negligent and caused a death.  Stupidity is not a defense.

 

The charges are accurate. It's only a matter of how harsh the penalty is if jurors are willing to find him guilty of tge current charges. I predict he will agree to plead guilty to a lesser, but still criminal, charge. That will bury the civil lawsuit. His culpability, if he pleads guilty to anything criminal, will make it much harder to win against the cruise line. 

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It is a horrible tragedy.  And I am very sorry it happened and am sorry for the grief the family will have to live with forever - particularly the grandfather.

 

I am not really in favor of prosecuting him.

 

Having said all that, I am appalled at the family's need to blame other people - especially the cruise line and to go on TV to do so as well as suing them.