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[CrazyDaisy]

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@GrailSeeker wrote:

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@Lipstickdiva wrote:

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@Greeneyedlady21 wrote:

If asymptomatic spread isn't real and happening, then I'd love to know how the worst spread is happening in nursing homes and other care facilities.

With no visitors allowed, temperature and other symptom checks of employees, and routine testing of employees and residents (if they're doing what they're supposed to be doing). Employees are lying and going to work when they have symptoms and spreading it? Residents have symptoms and they're not being isolated and distanced? Staff isn't wearing proper PPE? All of the above?

I've seen many posts here against the WHO, because of what someone said about them. But now they are to be believed? 

This virus was only known about a few months ago. Even though now it could have possibly existed in China last October if you go by the story about symptoms that people were Googling there. I know some people think we should know everything about it or something nefarious is going on, but that's just not how science works regarding novel viruses.

Look up what happened with HIV, if you don't remember.

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Someone very close to me has a father in a nursing home who tested positive for Covid-19.  He had no symptoms and never developed any.  He had to be in quarantine for 14 days. 

3 employees tested positive and that is how residents got it.  I'm not sure if the employees were sick though or if they were asymptomatic.  I also don't know how many others in the nursing home tested positive.   

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I also read that nursing home employees who had tested positive early on were allowed to work with other positive covid-19 patients.  Again, did the employees bring it in, or did they catch it at work?

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Nursing homes are always difficult to contain infectious disease.  They are not entirely isolated, live in close quarters and are the most vulnerable. 

[CrazyDaisy]

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@bikerbabe wrote:
Today’s NYT

A top expert at the World Health Organization on Tuesday walked back her earlier assertion that transmission of the coronavirus by people who do not have symptoms is “very rare.”

Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, who made the original comment at a W.H.O. briefing on Monday, said that it was based on just two or three studies and that it was a “misunderstanding” to say asymptomatic transmission is rare globally.

“I was just responding to a question, I wasn’t stating a policy of W.H.O. or anything like that,” she said.

Dr. Van Kerkhove said that the estimates of transmission from people without symptoms come primarily from models, which may not provide an accurate representation. “That’s a big open question, and that remains an open question,” she said.

Scientists had sharply criticized the W.H.O. for creating confusion on the issue, given the far-ranging public policy implications. Governments around the world have recommended face masks and social distancing measures because of the risk of asymptomatic transmission.

A range of scientists said Dr. Van Kerkhove’s comments did not reflect the current scientific research.

“All of the best evidence suggests that people without symptoms can and do readily spread SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19,” scientists at the Harvard Global Health Institute said in a statement on Tuesday.

“Communicating preliminary data about key aspects of the coronavirus without much context can have tremendous negative impact on how the public and policymakers respond to the pandemic.”

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When experts disagree, who is right. 

[GrailSeeker]

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@busymom22 wrote:

I never trusted WHO or even the CDC and their "experts" as there are too many political ramifications and connections.  Their findings and advice have flip-flopped so much that it just confuses the American public even more.

It really feels like there is an agenda to keep people in a state of perpetual fear.  I know some who are so scared that they hang on every word of WHO or CDC.  Use precautions, stay home if you are at risk, but we have to open things up as much as possible.

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I totally agree.

@Greeneyedlady21 mentioned HIV.  That is another example of a communicable disease that was politicized.  Forty years later, still no vaccine for it, and HIV has now been down-played considerably, though it is considered the disease behind changes in civil rights and HIPAA laws.  

[dex]

@gardenman @Do you still continue to social distance and wear a mask in public?I don't think I feel safe without a cure or vaccine.I wish I was able to get to Canada.We were supposed to be there for the summer but the border is still closed.They have no cases on Vancouver island where we always spend our summers.

[deepwaterdotter]

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@CrazyDaisy wrote:

When experts disagree, who is right.  :smileyfrustrated

Which ever one that fits one's agenda?

[millieshops]

@CrazyDaisy I don't know who is right or even if anyone is totally right,  but I do know that the numbers of infections, the numbers of serious after-effects, and the numbers of deaths still increasing makes me believe the woman who said she spoke for the WHO (and actually may not have had her comments carefully vetted) really was giving us a falsely positive view.

Especially in this nternet age when so many people read the headlines and don't dig deeply into the details, a little bit of informaion can be dangerous.

The detail keeping me on personal lockdown for the most part is the one that she mentioned that people who are asymptomatic could be a day or two prior to a full-blown case of the virus and it's that day or two when they are most dangerous -    too bad she didn't put that info in her lead -   all the rest of what she said Fauci and Brix had told us long ago!

Now I just need to know who we'd ever know someone is a day or two from showing symptoms -  I'm not willing to risk my life so much until someone figures out how to protect us from that!

[GrailSeeker]

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@Marp wrote:

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@Mom2Dogs wrote:

@GrailSeeker   I read this news earlier on line.  It never made sense to me how asystematic people spread the virus.

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Chickenpox is most contagious from 1 to 2 days before the rash appears until all the blisters are dried and crusted.

A person with measles can spread the virus to others for about eight days, starting four days before the rash appears and ending when the rash has been present for four days.

The average incubation period for the flu is about two days. So, if you come into contact with virus on Saturday morning, you can potentially start spreading it to others by Sunday evening. And by Monday afternoon, you’ll likely start feeling the dreaded body aches that come with the flu.

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The difference between these diseases and covid-19 is that even though these diseases can be asymptomatic a few days before developing a rash or fever or body aches, these diseases do go on to develop symptoms.  

The way I am reading this, it appears that asymptomatic covid cases never develop symptoms, in spite of testing positive.  Never heard of someone having chicken pox, or measles, or influenza, but never getting sick with it. 

ALTHOUGH, that being said, my own personal history of never having chicken pox might be a case in point.  Back then, it was just called natural immunity.

When I was in the 4th grade, 10 years old, my entire family, except for my mom, all came down with mumps, including my 30 year old father.

That no more than left us, that the 3 younger kids got chicken pox, but not me.  

I remember looking at myself in the mirror with the mumps and being quite distressed by my appearance.  The other kids were covered with scabs and each had one or two residual scars, but not me.

Six years and two children later, we were hit by chicken pox again.  I helped tend to my younger brothers and again, I did not get chicken pox.

Then, when I was about 30, my two children got chicken pox and I still did not get it.  

So did I never have chicken pox or was I an asymptomatic case?

Hard to believe I was just asymptomatic.  I remember looking at my baby girl covered with scabs and thinking, oh my, she is bound to have scars.  Luckily, she was so young, she was left with not a one.  But there was no way that I could have had even one pox and not noticed it.  Anyway, it did not tend to manifest that way, with only one hidden blister.  Very mysterious!

[CrazyDaisy]

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@millieshops wrote:

@CrazyDaisy I don't know who is right or even if anyone is totally right,  but I do know that the numbers of infections, the numbers of serious after-effects, and the numbers of deaths still increasing makes me believe the woman who said she spoke for the WHO (and actually may not have had her comments carefully vetted) really was giving us a falsely positive view.

Especially in this nternet age when so many people read the headlines and don't dig deeply into the details, a little bit of informaion can be dangerous.

The detail keeping me on personal lockdown for the most part is the one that she mentioned that people who are asymptomatic could be a day or two prior to a full-blown case of the virus and it's that day or two when they are most dangerous -    too bad she didn't put that info in her lead -   all the rest of what she said Fauci and Brix had told us long ago!

Now I just need to know who we'd ever know someone is a day or two from showing symptoms -  I'm not willing to risk my life so much until someone figures out how to protect us from that!

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This is just one more example of from one day to the next how conflecting information is given.  Yet everyone keep referencing "the experts say".  Experts disagree, experts change their minds, experts can and often are flat out wrong.  I intend to follow basic common sense.  Do what makes you feel most comfortable and move on with your life

[gardenman]

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@dex wrote:

@gardenman @Do you still continue to social distance and wear a mask in public?I don't think I feel safe without a cure or vaccine.I wish I was able to get to Canada.We were supposed to be there for the summer but the border is still closed.They have no cases on Vancouver island where we always spend our summers.

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I do. I wear a mask and gloves when shopping and I only go shopping about once every three weeks. 

[DiAnne]

This virus is so new and there are so many conflicting opinions I am going on the side of caution.  I am going to continue to self quarantine as much as possible.  I will wear a mask and gloves when I go out because I consider that a sign of consideration for others.