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Re: ••• Germanwings plane crash co-pilot hid illness from employer •••

apparently his former girlfriend knew he had thoughts of crashing a plane, doing something "heinous."

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On 3/27/2015 Haca said:
On 3/27/2015 emmysmom said:
On 3/27/2015 Haca said: Yes we have medical specialists that treat all types of mental illness. Like here we also have clinics - as a matter of fact we have an excellent one here in my town. I agree with you we don't yet know what he was treated for. -- As an aside, Duesseldorf was my home for about four years. All of us are stunned by this development.

Haca, they showed a picture of his home, it looks like a lovely town. I come from a German background and I was over there as a child and remember how beautiful it was..also toured Switzerland..gorgeous!

Hi emmysmom nice to meet you. Yes his parents' home with a slate roof looks typical for Montabaur in the Westerwald region. I feel so sorry for them. Glad you have and remember your childhood memories. My family is still in Germany living in all corners and I visit almost every year. Skype is a great tool to stay in touch.

Hi Haca, I too feel sorry for his parents..so tragic in so many ways! I'm glad you have Skype and can stay in touch with your family!{#emotions_dlg.wub}

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Has the girlfriend/fiance story been verified? Can you imagine what her life must be like now? I bet there's reporters camped outside her front door.

I bet there are thousands of pilots out there fighting depression and they are probably very anxious about it now!

Video recorders must be implemented in the cockpits. I don't care what unions/agencies have to agree on it. Make it mandatory yesterday. When you have that kind of control over something that is capable of tremendous destruction and devastation, your rights to privacy are nonsense. You don't want to be on camera doing your job like so many other professions? You don't want to be a pilot. MO.

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On 3/27/2015 Marp2 said:
On 3/27/2015 MickD said: ITA with what everyone has said. I cannot wrap my brain around what would make a person do this other than a psychosis/depression/anxiety/anger manifestation...I guarantee my MSW arss on that.....

It is just as likely that the medical condition was something progressive and he felt this flight was possibly the last one he would be allowed to make. He may not have given a single thought to the passengers just made the decision that if he could no longer fly he no longer wanted to live and chose to die doing what he loved most.

I don't buy that for a minute.

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On 3/28/2015 Lucky charm said:

Has the girlfriend/fiance story been verified? Can you imagine what her life must be like now? I bet there's reporters camped outside her front door.

I bet there are thousands of pilots out there fighting depression and they are probably very anxious about it now!

Video recorders must be implemented in the cockpits. I don't care what unions/agencies have to agree on it. Make it mandatory yesterday. When you have that kind of control over something that is capable of tremendous destruction and devastation, your rights to privacy are nonsense. You don't want to be on camera doing your job like so many other professions? You don't want to be a pilot. MO.

Recordings might or might not answer questions after the fact. The best scenario would be real-time video that is transmitted to land that is monitored from boarding to deplaning coupled with the ability to take control of the plane if necessary. However, the ability to take remote control of the plane opens another can of security worms.

Since there is frequently 10,000+ flights in the air at any given time the costs involved in real-time monitoring would make flying prohibitively expensive for the average flyer. One would also have to factor in tedium since crashes are rare. Watching hours of nothing interesting would lead to boredom and lack of attention.

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I think having actual video footage to look at after an occurrence would answer any and all questions we have now. Millions of shops, gas stations, banks, street corners have video cameras streaming that we can go back and access. It would cost the passenger more, but I think it wouldn't make flying cost prohibitive. I took the same flight I do every month, yesterday, costs any where's from $121-174 to fly 750 miles from one major city to another. Would cost more to fill up my Suburban and make that trip.

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Lucky Charm,

I agree there would be some benefits of simply having video footage to review after the fact but would do little if anything as a preventative measure. We have already heard that the co-pilot intentionally reset the controls and was breathing "normally". We also know this was an intentional act so IMO the only thing we would likely have learned from video would be if he entered a fugue state and I'm not the least bit certain that could be ascertained from video.

The prohibitive cost of flying I referenced would come not from the installation of video recording but from real-time monitoring with the ability to remote control the aircraft.

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I see now what you're saying Marp about the remote control. Yes that would be very beneficial in the event of a medical emergency or an instance like this past one perhaps. And would be very costly.

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It would be wonderful if it could be controlled remotely in case of an emergency, but the problem they're worried about there is that control could be hacked to bring down a plane.

What to do is a real brain twister.

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Noel,

It is beyond a brain twister. Like with most things digital one solution opens the door to other problems.