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03-07-2019 12:56 PM
The GM plant in Oklahoma City closed a long time ago, and a lot of people who came with the plant moved away. The area though found new businesses to occupy the building, has done a lot of new projects downtown, got the Thunder basketball team, and is continuing to build an expand.
So if Oklahoma City can do it, it can be done if people don't give up on the city! I pray for all of them and wish them success and renewal.
03-07-2019 01:24 PM - edited 03-07-2019 01:34 PM
@Spurt wrote:
@chlema wrote:@NicksmomESQ Yes, do agree re the college for everyone is not the answer. Fifteen years ago my grandson went to a technical high school and chose a career in sheet metal. He knew he wasn't "college material" and in fact had no desire to go that route. So he rose to the top of the class in his chosen field and today is a foreman making excellent money. Educators today need to get out of the college mind set and realize that many of our young people are better using their minds along with their hands. There is a need for both.
I work for a large company and there's a lot of young people with degrees in Psychology, Liberal Arts, working at low level office jobs, struggling to pay back their student loans....their degrees werent worth it....They would have been better off getting certifications in IT, or learning a trade--- plumber, auto mechanic, electrician, AIr Conditioning Repair, or medical field--physical therapist, medical technician etc....in a career specific school or community college
@Spurt I have a PhD in Clinical and Behavioral Psychology. I knew what I wanted to do in life and in my state, these degrees were required by law. Every time I hear someone say that want to major in psychology, I ask them if they plan on earning their PhD because that's the only way you'll achieve a well paying job and benefits with that degree (in my state). If the answer is "no", that they chose it because it's at least a degree, I look at them and shake my head. I wonder whose money they are wasting: parents? Their own?
I understand that there are many who believe that going to college for any degree is worth the money. I am not one of them; especially if I'm paying for it. Look to the future, do your research and carve out a path that will bring you financial success as well as happiness. At least be able to put a roof over your head, clothes on your back, food in your belly and ENJOY life with the field (degree) you choose. Few think about that, however.
03-07-2019 01:44 PM
@Sooner wrote:The GM plant in Oklahoma City closed a long time ago, and a lot of people who came with the plant moved away. The area though found new businesses to occupy the building, has done a lot of new projects downtown, got the Thunder basketball team, and is continuing to build an expand.
So if Oklahoma City can do it, it can be done if people don't give up on the city! I pray for all of them and wish them success and renewal.
That is easy to say, however this is not Oklahoma City, it is a small town between Cleveland and Youngstown. Infrastructure for transportation and a workforce to support the new businesses is required before a business will make a commitment.
03-07-2019 01:45 PM - edited 03-07-2019 01:46 PM
@SahmIam wrote:
@Spurt wrote:
@chlema wrote:@NicksmomESQ Yes, do agree re the college for everyone is not the answer. Fifteen years ago my grandson went to a technical high school and chose a career in sheet metal. He knew he wasn't "college material" and in fact had no desire to go that route. So he rose to the top of the class in his chosen field and today is a foreman making excellent money. Educators today need to get out of the college mind set and realize that many of our young people are better using their minds along with their hands. There is a need for both.
I work for a large company and there's a lot of young people with degrees in Psychology, Liberal Arts, working at low level office jobs, struggling to pay back their student loans....their degrees werent worth it....They would have been better off getting certifications in IT, or learning a trade--- plumber, auto mechanic, electrician, AIr Conditioning Repair, or medical field--physical therapist, medical technician etc....in a career specific school or community college
@Spurt I have a PhD in Clinical and Behavioral Psychology. I knew what I wanted to do in life and in my state, these degrees were required by law. Every time I hear someone say that want to major in psychology, I ask them if they plan on earning their PhD because that's the only way you'll achieve a well paying job and benefits with that degree (in my state). If the answer is "no", that they chose it because it's at least a degree, I look at them and shake my head. I wonder whose money they are wasting: parents? Their own?
I understand that there are many who believe that going to college for any degree is worth the money. I am not one of them; especially if I'm paying for it. Look to the future, do your research and carve out an path that will bring you financial success as well as happiness. At least be able to put a roof over your head, clothes on your back, food in your belly and ENJOY life with the field (degree) you choose. Few think about that, however.
Your EXACTLY right.....I have a dear friend that got a Bachelor's degree in Psychology she wanted to help people....She got hired at a Psychiatric Hospital as a technician---didn't pay very much, but she's very smart and her boss recognized her potential, he urged her to get PHD.....but the cost of college and the loans and the time it would take and considering the increase in pay it just wasn't worth it.....She eventually found a job at a State Agency that paid a little better and had good benefits....
She tells young people starting college the same thing as you, dont get a degree in Psychology unless you plan to get a PHD......And I tell co-workers the same thing about certain degrees...especially if they are thinking of going back to school....do your research on jobs and career plans and college costs
They need to get the message out there , college may not be worth it
03-07-2019 02:02 PM
03-07-2019 02:55 PM
@Witchy Woman wrote:
I grew up around St. Louis, and cars were big business in the area. Dated a young man who worked the line that made Corvettes.
My dad worked in a railroad switching yard that often moved cars out the plants on to their destinations.
I feel deeply sorry for those folks who thought they had a job for life. I agree that not everyone needs college, but so little emphasis is placed on trades anymore.
My husband is a bricklayer (started working at 13 with his grandfather). He cannot find anyone that has the skill level he has. He's getting older and doesn't want to do the work as much as he did, so he's diversified.
He laments that no one coming up knows how to do anything! Has trouble finding anyone who wants to "labor" and learn on the job.
"Too hard", they say.
You've answered your own question. Manual labor impacts the body and most can't hold out until 67, today's retirement age. Who wants to have to start a new career at 55? It's hard alright, hard on the body.
03-07-2019 03:03 PM
You can't make the Chevy Cruz IN the plant and buy and then buy only the biggest
pickups and SUV's GM makes with your wages. .
The Lordstown parking lot was FULL of large vehicles. Even the employees didn't want the Cruz or small cars.
You can NOT expect a company to keep producing a product people no longer want to drive...
IF we did that, the buggy whip factory and the whalebone corset plants would still be humming!!!
Driving habits are changing too. Kids don't want to get a license, the average vehicle costs 37,000, and Uber and Lyft and others will take over.
That's what happens. Tastes change. Add to that, automation, where one man can push a button to start the assembly line to build what 100 men did thirty years ago.
I'm glad the rat race is over for me. I was lucky.....a 35 year career, a pension, and savings. I feel for today's workers who hop from one job to the next, with virtually no benefits.....how can one plan?
03-07-2019 03:07 PM
@SahmIam wrote:
@Spurt wrote:
@chlema wrote:@NicksmomESQ Yes, do agree re the college for everyone is not the answer. Fifteen years ago my grandson went to a technical high school and chose a career in sheet metal. He knew he wasn't "college material" and in fact had no desire to go that route. So he rose to the top of the class in his chosen field and today is a foreman making excellent money. Educators today need to get out of the college mind set and realize that many of our young people are better using their minds along with their hands. There is a need for both.
I work for a large company and there's a lot of young people with degrees in Psychology, Liberal Arts, working at low level office jobs, struggling to pay back their student loans....their degrees werent worth it....They would have been better off getting certifications in IT, or learning a trade--- plumber, auto mechanic, electrician, AIr Conditioning Repair, or medical field--physical therapist, medical technician etc....in a career specific school or community college
@Spurt I have a PhD in Clinical and Behavioral Psychology. I knew what I wanted to do in life and in my state, these degrees were required by law. Every time I hear someone say that want to major in psychology, I ask them if they plan on earning their PhD because that's the only way you'll achieve a well paying job and benefits with that degree (in my state). If the answer is "no", that they chose it because it's at least a degree, I look at them and shake my head. I wonder whose money they are wasting: parents? Their own?
I understand that there are many who believe that going to college for any degree is worth the money. I am not one of them; especially if I'm paying for it. Look to the future, do your research and carve out a path that will bring you financial success as well as happiness. At least be able to put a roof over your head, clothes on your back, food in your belly and ENJOY life with the field (degree) you choose. Few think about that, however.
just a comment on a degree in psychology. my daughter graduated last spring with a degree in psychology and a minor in healthcare management. at this point she is not going for a masters or phd. she had a managerial position in the healthcare field waiting for her when she graduated. she enjoys it quite a lot and at this point makes decent money for just starting out. i would never discourage someone from getting a degree in a subject matter they are interested in because you can turn it into something you love, something you are passionate about, something you can be proud of.
my other daughter did something similar but in a different field with a degree in english and spanish.......and graduated with honors.
would have never discouraged them from pursuing their degrees and making it work for them.
03-07-2019 03:10 PM
@CalminHeart wrote:
And we'll see a lot more businesses close given the economy and political interests. It's a shame CEOs and politicians are so short-sighted.
You lost me with "businesses closing given the economy"! Care to elaborate?
hckynut
03-07-2019 03:36 PM - edited 03-07-2019 03:37 PM
@sunshine45 I won't argue that point because over the years I have learned that each state has its own requirements in the mental health field when it comes to psychology and what you can and can't do.
Your daughter was wise that she chose to double major; so few students I've met do. In her situation, excellent choice and yes, her psychology degree was an asset due to the field she chose plus the healthcare management minor. Would she have been able to get that job if she hadn't had that minor? In my area, most likely not.
I should clarify that I teach part-time (on-line) at the college level and volunteer with adults who are at-risk in college. The goal is to assist them with choosing majors for careers that will lift them out of where they are now. A liberal arts, history or psychology degree on its own isn't going to do that; at least not where I live. Also, so many have no desire to work in the field of their major; they look upon it as an "easy" course load and "at least I'll have a college degree". Not a great use of their time or money considering the cost of that degree- especially if you have to pay it back and can't find employment.
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