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On 1/9/2015 Nancy Drew said:

I wish we had so much money flowing that for all these great things we could afford. We just don't. The list is long of programs who need money. I say lets get our K-12th more efficient in math & science and not have this watered down public school system. If we start there at the root of education we would get way more for our money.

Remember the GI Bill?

That bill, after WWII, created our strong middle class. Soldiers came back and were often the first in their family to get a college degree - and then they were able to afford education for the baby boomers (their children).

Education is the key to economic success.

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On 1/9/2015 Macy said:

and many community college courses aren't even transferable to 4 year universities which means students need to repeat courses. My son finished his 4 year degree but had to take several more classes that weren't accepted in the University.

In NY State, most CC courses count towards a 4 year degree at a state university.

Maybe not at Harvard or Yale - but we are talking making college affordable to the middle class.

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On 1/9/2015 terrier3 said:
On 1/9/2015 Nancy Drew said:

I wish we had so much money flowing that for all these great things we could afford. We just don't. The list is long of programs who need money. I say lets get our K-12th more efficient in math & science and not have this watered down public school system. If we start there at the root of education we would get way more for our money.

Remember the GI Bill?

That bill, after WWII, created our strong middle class. Soldiers came back and were often the first in their family to get a college degree - and then they were able to afford education for the baby boomers (their children).

Education is the key to economic success.

different times, different economy. How many people were on welfare programs after WWII? Food stamps? Disability?

I'm done with P.C. Just say what you mean and mean what you say. It's easier.
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Re: Free Community College - Good Idea? Bad Idea?

On 1/9/2015 Macy said:
On 1/9/2015 terrier3 said:
On 1/9/2015 Nancy Drew said:

I wish we had so much money flowing that for all these great things we could afford. We just don't. The list is long of programs who need money. I say lets get our K-12th more efficient in math & science and not have this watered down public school system. If we start there at the root of education we would get way more for our money.

Remember the GI Bill?

That bill, after WWII, created our strong middle class. Soldiers came back and were often the first in their family to get a college degree - and then they were able to afford education for the baby boomers (their children).

Education is the key to economic success.

different times, different economy. How many people were on welfare programs after WWII? Food stamps? Disability?

The GIs' access to higher education made them self sufficient.

That is a good thing - and can and should be repeated.

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I'm skeptical at this point. Nearly every program the government and our politicians come with is marketed as 'helping the middle class' and guess what, it NEVER does.

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On 1/9/2015 terrier3 said:
On 1/9/2015 Macy said:
On 1/9/2015 terrier3 said:
On 1/9/2015 Nancy Drew said:

I wish we had so much money flowing that for all these great things we could afford. We just don't. The list is long of programs who need money. I say lets get our K-12th more efficient in math & science and not have this watered down public school system. If we start there at the root of education we would get way more for our money.

Remember the GI Bill?

That bill, after WWII, created our strong middle class. Soldiers came back and were often the first in their family to get a college degree - and then they were able to afford education for the baby boomers (their children).

Education is the key to economic success.

different times, different economy. How many people were on welfare programs after WWII? Food stamps? Disability?

The GIs' access to higher education made them self sufficient.

That is a good thing - and can and should be repeated.

that's not an answer.

I had 2 uncles and my father come out of WWII. None used the GI bill for education. All 3 started working immediately and got good jobs as electricians, plumbers, and in the banking industry. The GI bill did not make them self sufficient.

I'm done with P.C. Just say what you mean and mean what you say. It's easier.
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On 1/9/2015 Topaz Gem said:

I'm skeptical at this point. Nearly every program the government and our politicians come with is marketed as 'helping the middle class' and guess what, it NEVER does.

I agree this is a bad band aid to the problem. Why not go after the high cost of higher education. The money going to 4 year colleges is ridiculous and then these kids get out of school with these over priced degrees and there are still no jobs.

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On 1/9/2015 terrier3 said:
On 1/9/2015 abbyt said: Great idea----for the students who attend for free. Problem is someone has to pay for this. Where will the money come from?

The students work it off on community projects later.

Which are supported by the taxpayers. Nothing is free.
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Re: Free Community College - Good Idea? Bad Idea?

On 1/9/2015 Topaz Gem said:

I'm skeptical at this point. Nearly every program the government and our politicians come with is marketed as 'helping the middle class' and guess what, it NEVER does.

IF they were truly interested in improving education . . . they would support Charter Schools. They receive funding but achievement and success of the students is the ultimate barometer . . . based upon results. Results are key. Throwing money at the education/college funding program is NOT the answer. It takes hard work. Not free money.

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Re: Free Community College - Good Idea? Bad Idea?

On 1/9/2015 Caravaggio said:
On 1/9/2015 Topaz Gem said:

I'm skeptical at this point. Nearly every program the government and our politicians come with is marketed as 'helping the middle class' and guess what, it NEVER does.

I agree this is a bad band aid to the problem. Why not go after the high cost of higher education. The money going to 4 year colleges is ridiculous and then these kids get out of school with these over priced degrees and there are still no jobs.

I agree college tuition is out of sight. But it's a free society and schools can set their own tuitions - what the market will bear.

If they had some competition from free 2 year colleges, maybe they would lower costs at their own schools.