Ford to move to Mexico, build $1.6B plant, employ ... - Page 9

CrazyDaisy · ‎03-20-2010

@CHATTY wrote:
I hope those employees in Mexico enjoy their $3.00/hour. All because Ford doesn't want to pay $7.25/hour here. The rich keep getting richer. We wouldn't want to raise Ford's taxes now would we? Wonder how much their CEO is getting?

Assembly line works for Ford in the US make more than $18.00 per hour plus benefits. Ford's hourly wage in Mexico is comparable to other manufacturing jobs in the country.

Someday, when scientists discover the center of the Universe....some people will be disappointed it is not them.

gardenman · ‎03-09-2010

@QueenDanceALot wrote:
@gardenman wrote:
I've never heard of a CEO who prefers to travel overseas to attend to a manufacturing issue. I'm pretty sure they'd all prefer to keep their opertions here if they could make a comparable profit. It's not a lot of fun hopping on a plane and flying to India, China or wherever whenever there's an issue.

We're seeing manufacturing jobs hop from country to country these days as labor costs increase in one country and manufacturers pack up and move on to another country. Mexico has been losing manufacturing jobs in recent years as a result of lower costs in China and India.

Mexico gets car manufacturing jobs because it's cheaper to move cars from Mexico to the US than from China/India. It all comes down to money. If we want to keep manufacturing jobs we have to find a way to level the playing field for manufacturers.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, an easy option would be to either waive the sales tax on domestically made items, or collect the sales tax and give it back to the manufacturer in exchange for keeping their product in the US. The average national sales tax in the US is around 7%. The average cost of a new car in the US is reportedly $33,560. Seven percent of $33,560 is $2,349.20. I'm pretty sure that's more than they'd save per car by moving the manufacturing overseas. Give that back to the manufacturers instead of the states to keep the jobs here.

What would states get for giving up that sales tax revenue? They'd get more high paying jobs, give manufacturers a reason to stay here, give those who left a reason to come back, and revive much of the US economy. That kind of money could help them overlook the insane regulatory system now in place also.

Money is the answer to the why companies leave and also the solution to get them back.
Aw, gee, my heart bleeds for those poor CEO's.

They won't bring jobs back here unless they can pay employees slave wages like they get away with in other countries.

People make it sound like the CEO's want to take those jobs overseas. They don't. They do it because of the money. Waiving sales tax like I propose would even out the costs. If you've got a better idea I'd love to hear it.

Fly!!! Eagles!!! Fly!!!

CrazyDaisy · ‎03-20-2010

@gardenman wrote:

People make it sound like the CEO's want to take those jobs overseas. They don't. They do it because of the money. Waiving sales tax like I propose would even out the costs. If you've got a better idea I'd love to hear it.

CEO's are responsible to the shareholders to make a profit. People do not realize that we are the shareholders. Many pension funds, mutual funds and 401K plans are the investors who are looking for that profit. These funds and plans need high returns for your and mine retirement expectations. Complicated issue.

Someday, when scientists discover the center of the Universe....some people will be disappointed it is not them.

QueenDanceALot · ‎04-18-2013

@gardenman wrote:
@QueenDanceALot wrote:
@gardenman wrote:
I've never heard of a CEO who prefers to travel overseas to attend to a manufacturing issue. I'm pretty sure they'd all prefer to keep their opertions here if they could make a comparable profit. It's not a lot of fun hopping on a plane and flying to India, China or wherever whenever there's an issue.

We're seeing manufacturing jobs hop from country to country these days as labor costs increase in one country and manufacturers pack up and move on to another country. Mexico has been losing manufacturing jobs in recent years as a result of lower costs in China and India.

Mexico gets car manufacturing jobs because it's cheaper to move cars from Mexico to the US than from China/India. It all comes down to money. If we want to keep manufacturing jobs we have to find a way to level the playing field for manufacturers.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, an easy option would be to either waive the sales tax on domestically made items, or collect the sales tax and give it back to the manufacturer in exchange for keeping their product in the US. The average national sales tax in the US is around 7%. The average cost of a new car in the US is reportedly $33,560. Seven percent of $33,560 is $2,349.20. I'm pretty sure that's more than they'd save per car by moving the manufacturing overseas. Give that back to the manufacturers instead of the states to keep the jobs here.

What would states get for giving up that sales tax revenue? They'd get more high paying jobs, give manufacturers a reason to stay here, give those who left a reason to come back, and revive much of the US economy. That kind of money could help them overlook the insane regulatory system now in place also.

Money is the answer to the why companies leave and also the solution to get them back.
Aw, gee, my heart bleeds for those poor CEO's.

They won't bring jobs back here unless they can pay employees slave wages like they get away with in other countries.
People make it sound like the CEO's want to take those jobs overseas. They don't. They do it because of the money. Waiving sales tax like I propose would even out the costs. If you've got a better idea I'd love to hear it.

We agree that they do it because of the money. Employees be damned.

I don't know that what you are proposing would "even out the costs". I have certainly read otherwise.

I don't have a solution for bringing those jobs back here. As I have said here we live in a new world. We can't fight globalization. What we CAN do is support the idea ("solution" if you will) of government and private industry working together to promote education, research and job development for the new age.

Venezia · ‎03-09-2010

@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@Venezia wrote:
@croemer wrote:
Until we cut taxes in our country to make it more feasible to operate...sadly this will keep happening.
Big corporations know every tax loophole in the book and take advantage of them (as do the 1%). They pay less proportionately in taxes than the ordinary worker on the street. Yet they cry foul, when it's even suggested that they be made to pay their fair share. We get the same old rhetoric - "it will be too expensive to operate", "people's jobs will have to go", on and on. Crocodile tears and laughing all the way to the bank.
As long as they are following the tax law, it is their share. Change the laws rather than turning them into villains.

I agree - the loopholes should be closed. But my response was in regard to croemer's comment that we need to cut the tax rate. For big corporations, that would reduce their tax burden to nil. They already pay little enough (yes, within the existing laws). Reducing the tax rate even more won't solve the problem, it will just shift more of the tax burden to ordinary workers. Someone has to pay for all the things we enjoy in this country. I think corporations should have to shoulder more of the cost.

CrazyDaisy · ‎03-20-2010

@Venezia wrote:
@CrazyDaisy wrote:
@Venezia wrote:
@croemer wrote:
Until we cut taxes in our country to make it more feasible to operate...sadly this will keep happening.
Big corporations know every tax loophole in the book and take advantage of them (as do the 1%). They pay less proportionately in taxes than the ordinary worker on the street. Yet they cry foul, when it's even suggested that they be made to pay their fair share. We get the same old rhetoric - "it will be too expensive to operate", "people's jobs will have to go", on and on. Crocodile tears and laughing all the way to the bank.
As long as they are following the tax law, it is their share. Change the laws rather than turning them into villains.
I agree - the loopholes should be closed. But my response was in regard to croemer's comment that we need to cut the tax rate. For big corporations, that would reduce their tax burden to nil. They already pay little enough (yes, within the existing laws). Reducing the tax rate even more won't solve the problem, it will just shift more of the tax burden to ordinary workers. Someone has to pay for all the things we enjoy in this country. I think corporations should have to shoulder more of the cost.

I am more for a flat, across the board tax. It could do two things, cut tax rates and close loopholes. Everyone contributes something, proportional to what they make.

Someday, when scientists discover the center of the Universe....some people will be disappointed it is not them.

gardenman · ‎03-09-2010

@QueenDanceALot wrote:
@gardenman wrote:
@QueenDanceALot wrote:
@gardenman wrote:
I've never heard of a CEO who prefers to travel overseas to attend to a manufacturing issue. I'm pretty sure they'd all prefer to keep their opertions here if they could make a comparable profit. It's not a lot of fun hopping on a plane and flying to India, China or wherever whenever there's an issue.

We're seeing manufacturing jobs hop from country to country these days as labor costs increase in one country and manufacturers pack up and move on to another country. Mexico has been losing manufacturing jobs in recent years as a result of lower costs in China and India.

Mexico gets car manufacturing jobs because it's cheaper to move cars from Mexico to the US than from China/India. It all comes down to money. If we want to keep manufacturing jobs we have to find a way to level the playing field for manufacturers.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, an easy option would be to either waive the sales tax on domestically made items, or collect the sales tax and give it back to the manufacturer in exchange for keeping their product in the US. The average national sales tax in the US is around 7%. The average cost of a new car in the US is reportedly $33,560. Seven percent of $33,560 is $2,349.20. I'm pretty sure that's more than they'd save per car by moving the manufacturing overseas. Give that back to the manufacturers instead of the states to keep the jobs here.

What would states get for giving up that sales tax revenue? They'd get more high paying jobs, give manufacturers a reason to stay here, give those who left a reason to come back, and revive much of the US economy. That kind of money could help them overlook the insane regulatory system now in place also.

Money is the answer to the why companies leave and also the solution to get them back.
Aw, gee, my heart bleeds for those poor CEO's.

They won't bring jobs back here unless they can pay employees slave wages like they get away with in other countries.
People make it sound like the CEO's want to take those jobs overseas. They don't. They do it because of the money. Waiving sales tax like I propose would even out the costs. If you've got a better idea I'd love to hear it.
We agree that they do it because of the money. Employees be damned.

I don't know that what you are proposing would "even out the costs". I have certainly read otherwise.

I don't have a solution for bringing those jobs back here. As I have said here we live in a new world. We can't fight globalization. What we CAN do is support the idea ("solution" if you will) of government and private industry working together to promote education, research and job development for the new age.

The problem with "education, research, and job development for the new age" is that those new age jobs then go off to countries with lower salaries. Programming jobs have gone to India in vast numbers in recent years. Kids in schools in India learn programming languages from elementary school on. There is no "new age" job we can create that others can't do for less.

As to how waiving/altering sales tax would even out the costs, it's pretty simple. There are two options. One simply waive the sales tax on any item made in America. That would allow the manufacturer to increase their price by as much as the sales tax in each state to help offset their increased costs. (An average of about 7% nationally.) Option two would be to keep the sales tax intact but return all or part of it to the domestic manufacturers to help offset their incresed costs of staying here in the US. (You will hear this described as "corporate welfare" by the globalists.) In both cases you allow domestic manufacturers a way to stay price competitive, make the same profit they would by shipping jobs overseas, and keep the jobs here. They make their money. We keep our jobs. Everyone wins. Well, not those who would be doing the jobs overseas, but other than that everyone wins.

Fly!!! Eagles!!! Fly!!!

SahmIam · ‎04-16-2010

There is no "new age" job we can create that others can't do for less.

People NEED to hear this. There was a time that being a doctor, a lawyer, an accountant, majoring in finance or business was the thing to do because you would be guaranteed a well paying job for life.

Not anymore.

Trade schools are being encouraged to my boys. My county High Schools started last year having Vo-Tech speakers come in along with college reps to speak to students; guess who NOW has the biggest turn out from students?

The wheel slowly turns....

momtochloe · ‎11-03-2013

@SahmIam wrote:
There is no "new age" job we can create that others can't do for less.

People NEED to hear this. There was a time that being a doctor, a lawyer, an accountant, majoring in finance or business was the thing to do because you would be guaranteed a well paying job for life.

Not anymore.

Trade schools are being encouraged to my boys. My county High Schools started last year having Vo-Tech speakers come in along with college reps to speak to students; guess who NOW has the biggest turn out from students?

The wheel slowly turns....

I agree @SahmIam as I see what has happened with IT jobs in this country. We have talented, trained IT specialists watching their jobs being outsourced or replaced by low paying consultants under the H1B visa programs.

I would encourage parents with children looking for a vocation to look to the trades/hands on jobs that simply cannot be offshored.

QueenDanceALot · ‎04-18-2013

@momtochloe wrote:
@SahmIam wrote:
There is no "new age" job we can create that others can't do for less.

People NEED to hear this. There was a time that being a doctor, a lawyer, an accountant, majoring in finance or business was the thing to do because you would be guaranteed a well paying job for life.

Not anymore.

Trade schools are being encouraged to my boys. My county High Schools started last year having Vo-Tech speakers come in along with college reps to speak to students; guess who NOW has the biggest turn out from students?

The wheel slowly turns....
I agree @SahmIam as I see what has happened with IT jobs in this country. We have talented, trained IT specialists watching their jobs being outsourced or replaced by low paying consultants under the H1B visa programs.

I would encourage parents with children looking for a vocation to look to the trades/hands on jobs that simply cannot be offshored.